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re: O Haters: What will it take to change your opinion?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:41 pm to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:41 pm to I-59 Tiger
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I believe you that you certainly want LSU to win big this fall.
I'd hope so...we go back a long way on LSU message boards and I get pretty pissed when it's suggested I'm not an actual LSU fan because I detest the Orgeron hire.
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However I disagree on the bolded part. While the number may be miniscule there are indeed people here, in fact in this very thread, that do want to see LSU fail and in fact fail so miserably this year that Orgeron's ouster is announced prior to the season.
Again,not many. But they're there.
I won't argue that point, as I will concede there may be a very small number that fell that if the best way to get the desired result. But...my point was not specifically that there are ZERO people who fell that way, just that the vast VAST majority who are outspoken about this topic do not want LSU to fail to simply be right about Orgeron. I was guilty of a bit of hyperbole...my bad.
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:42 pm to Freauxzen
Great points
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:46 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Agree.
I guess to many I'm a "pumper." Its May,I'm about to order by season tickets. Why not be excited?
With that said, he wasn't my first choice, the whole Canada saga was embarrassing, the way the Notre Dame game ended really took the starch out of the way the season ended--which IMO was pretty good after the Troy mess and very poor play vs Miss State and Syracuse.
I guess to many I'm a "pumper." Its May,I'm about to order by season tickets. Why not be excited?
With that said, he wasn't my first choice, the whole Canada saga was embarrassing, the way the Notre Dame game ended really took the starch out of the way the season ended--which IMO was pretty good after the Troy mess and very poor play vs Miss State and Syracuse.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:49 pm to logjamming
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Why did we fire Les?
Saban got in his head.....and he was not Saban. Plus at the time the West had a lot of good coaches coming in like Freeze and Mullen and Malzahn in addition to the Dark One.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:51 pm to I-59 Tiger
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However I disagree on the bolded part. While the number may be miniscule there are indeed people here, in fact in this very thread, that do want to see LSU fail and in fact fail so miserably this year that Orgeron's ouster is announced prior to the season.
Again,not many. But they're there.
While I don't ascribe to that either, it is a rational approach. Fandom itself will bring in the subjectivity of "feelings" and "positivity," but sometimes it's better to lose the battle, if it allows you to win the war. It's a similar concept to the 76ers long term draft strategy, or allowing a batter to the base to get a preferable pitcher-hitter option or force a strategy change, or a host of other places where people sacrifice current position to gain long term. It is calculated, and it is risky, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. That batter you bring to the plate could hit a home run and torch your plan. You were just playing the odds.
In everyday life, it's ripping the band aid, sacrificing immediate comfort for a better long term option. Many of us probably do it in our current jobs in one form or another.
Outside of subjective fan feelings, there is nothing wrong with this approach, it's a different philosophy, that's all. And to constantly bemoan people and call them non-LSU fans, doesn't really help the discussion.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:51 pm to I-59 Tiger
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I guess to many I'm a "pumper."
Remember...so was I! Until I was vocal about Orgeron...then I'm a closeted BAMA fan! hahaha
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With that said, he wasn't my first choice, the whole Canada saga was embarrassing, the way the Notre Dame game ended really took the starch out of the way the season ended--which IMO was pretty good after the Troy mess and very poor play vs Miss State and Syracuse.
All that...except change "wasn't my first choice" to "wouldn't have EVER come up on any radar I owned for coaching searches." I think that bit makes all the difference. For me, his hiring was so bad there is no "wait and see" for me. Oh...if he started winning big I'd need to readdress my beliefs about him, but I'm under no obligation to like the man or his hiring until he does something that warrants it.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:52 pm to ibleedprplngld
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What will it take to change your opinion?
Well, the most relevant “opinion” of mine about O is that he will never be able to coach LSU to an SEC Championship or playoff appearance, which was supposedly why he was hired.
So, to change that opinion, he’ll have to do that. Pretty simple
If he doesn’t do it this year and somehow keeps his job, he sure as shite better be fired after his first loss in 2019.
Miles got two losses in 2016. What the frick has Eatin Ed done to deserve the same benefit of the doubt.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:55 pm to Freauxzen
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And to constantly bemoan people and call them non-LSU fans, doesn't really help the discussion
Two things...those generally underwhelmed or concerned about Orgeron is one thing.That is certainly legitimate.
But regardless of how many coaches were fired from teams we played last fall, any guy who right now wants LSU to fail in 2018 isn't much of a fan.And their constant berating of the program doesn't help the discussion,either.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:59 pm to I-59 Tiger
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But regardless of how many coaches were fired from teams we played last fall, any guy who right now wants LSU to fail in 2018 isn't much of a fan
So is the pitcher who throws 4 balls intentionally not that much of a pitcher? He isn't supposed to walk batters. His goal is to keep points off the board, and hits to a minimum.
Their rationality may be off, and no I don't think it's helpful either, but if the goal is an NC and they believe O can't get us there, I mean, why wait? That's all it's about. They are probably just TOO focused on the NC.
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And their constant berating of the program doesn't help the discussion,either.
Unfounded berating isn't useful, but constructive criticism is.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 5:01 pm to Freauxzen
we'll have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 5:07 pm to Bradentu2
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U must understand that it takes time for any coach to settle in. Don’t be so critical. In Sabans first year at lsu we lost to UAB.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 6:35 pm to Freauxzen
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Unfounded berating isn't useful, but constructive criticism is.
please point out "constructive criticism" have not seen it in a while.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 7:29 pm to ibleedprplngld
If 0 all of a sudden became a successful coach that many schools coveted...it would be the most amazing story in the history of sports. There would be many book and movie offers.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:16 pm to ibleedprplngld
I have no hope. We are lost as a program. I will always care for LSU athletics, but these last couple of years sucked the enthusiasm and joy out of LSU sports for me. Will Wade helps but I was never a huge basketball fan. I hope this baseball season is an anomaly. Its crazy how the common fan can see the direction this program is headed and an administration cannot.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:30 pm to Freauxzen
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While I don't ascribe to that either, it is a rational approach. Fandom itself will bring in the subjectivity of "feelings" and "positivity," but sometimes it's better to lose the battle, if it allows you to win the war. It's a similar concept to the 76ers long term draft strategy, or allowing a batter to the base to get a preferable pitcher-hitter option or force a strategy change, or a host of other places where people sacrifice current position to gain long term. It is calculated, and it is risky, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. That batter you bring to the plate could hit a home run and torch your plan. You were just playing the odds.
In everyday life, it's ripping the band aid, sacrificing immediate comfort for a better long term option. Many of us probably do it in our current jobs in one form or another.
Outside of subjective fan feelings, there is nothing wrong with this approach, it's a different philosophy, that's all. And to constantly bemoan people and call them non-LSU fans, doesn't really help the discussion
Well said. Delayed gratification. I'm definitely a proponent of it.
But people that make those accusations have it backwards anyway.
I don't want LSU to lose so that O leaves. I so strongly believe LSU is going to lose with O at the helm that I believe every second with him as HC is time wasted when we could be prospering under a more capable coach. I can't make myself feel differently about him unless he gives me a reason, results to change my mind.
"Give him a chance." He already had a damn chance and he lost to Troy. I just think that's a small taste of what we're in for with him here.
"You don't know anything, coaches get better."
I cannot rationally reach this place where some of our fans reside, where they think the worst OM coach ever can turn into someone that can beat Saban for an SEC title. I just can't get there. I suppose I'm completely bereft of imagination and faith, because that's the only way I can figure to get there.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:38 pm to ibleedprplngld
The bar needs to be much higher than it has been. Playing teams close is not acceptable.
The Auburn win last year was probably his biggest win since being at LSU. I get that you won’t be Bama often as long as Saban is there but you need to be sweeping the rest of the games. I get that 2-3 losses on certain seasons would still be considered successful and in some cases it should be. Sometimes the other teams just have all the stars aligned for a run.
This year he has to beat every team on the schedule except for Bama and Georgia. It would be nice if he went 1-1 in those or if 0-2 kept the game close and showed an offense that was able to move the ball on those teams.
We should be a Top 7 team at the end of the year IMO.
The Auburn win last year was probably his biggest win since being at LSU. I get that you won’t be Bama often as long as Saban is there but you need to be sweeping the rest of the games. I get that 2-3 losses on certain seasons would still be considered successful and in some cases it should be. Sometimes the other teams just have all the stars aligned for a run.
This year he has to beat every team on the schedule except for Bama and Georgia. It would be nice if he went 1-1 in those or if 0-2 kept the game close and showed an offense that was able to move the ball on those teams.
We should be a Top 7 team at the end of the year IMO.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:27 pm to ibleedprplngld
Just win. serious contention for the SEC except maybe years when they’re breaking in a new QB.
I would relax quite a bit if he would hire a top notch OC and back off.
If Malzahn and Freeze can beat Bama on the reg, no excuse for us not being able to at least get 1 every 3 games or so.
I would relax quite a bit if he would hire a top notch OC and back off.
If Malzahn and Freeze can beat Bama on the reg, no excuse for us not being able to at least get 1 every 3 games or so.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:39 pm to ibleedprplngld
Him gone
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:25 am to ibleedprplngld
He was hired to exceed Miles.
He’s now entering his third season.
Win the SECW THIS SEASON.
I don’t give a shite about hard schedules, bullshite excuses, etc.
He wins big this season or he and Alleva are out.
He’s now entering his third season.
Win the SECW THIS SEASON.
I don’t give a shite about hard schedules, bullshite excuses, etc.
He wins big this season or he and Alleva are out.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 5:26 am to ibleedprplngld
Yay, another "if O blah blah will you blah blah" thread.
Once again...tell him he needs to beat Alabama Derek.
My iPhone is almost at the point where it writes this response by itself.
Once again...tell him he needs to beat Alabama Derek.
My iPhone is almost at the point where it writes this response by itself.
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