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re: Now we know why
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:26 am to Odysseus32
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:26 am to Odysseus32
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Sometimes I wonder if there was a disconnect between the position.
Is it possible that Woodward went after him and BK's goal was to actually be more of a consultant, and that wasn't communicated to everyone? Maybe what drew BK away was a conversation where he told Woodward he wasn't going to be involved and it was going to be more of an oversight situation. Woodward, wanting to make sure he got his guy, agreed to it in private?
Or not that exactly, but something like that? Something always felt very off in press conferences. As if BK was not a part of the team. He was always critiquing, never stepping in.
BK is just a terrible human. Dont overthink it.
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:28 am to kallen85
I that can be proven, and is not grounds for a for cause firing, I am not sure what is.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:28 am to dru5
If all of this is true then why was it not reported as such. Had I known about this I would have never supported kelly in the beginning. This is the same crap Orgeron was doing after 2019. And that really pissed me off.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:29 am to kallen85
Too much money and ridiculous guarantees. Do you think the next coach will expect any less? Especially if you try to steal one away from a major program?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:32 am to mcspufftiger7
quote:Hard not to go easy when you’ll be paid good or bad
If all of this is true then why was it not reported as such. Had I known about this I would have never supported kelly in the beginning. This is the same crap Orgeron was doing after 2019. And that really pissed me off.
some human nature shite.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:35 am to kallen85
How do you know this?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:40 am to DByrd2
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Any head coach would have made a few wholesale changes after the Florida game, but we just kept on pushing with the same exact plan every week.
This is the part that always pissed me off. He would triple down on what didn't work. Did it all the way through aTm this year. Once we were out of the playoff hunt, then things would be examined.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:45 am to kallen85
Kelly was trying to run the organization like a semi-retired owner who hires people to run the business for him and he's the "face" and makes the top level decisions. Unfortunately, he hired the wrong people and didn't have enough data to make the decisions because he wasn't there enough.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:48 am to DByrd2
quote:Perhaps you didn't see what Kyren's mom posted. Talking about how wonderful he was to them and even spoke eloquently at the funeral.
Add that to the lack of humanity shown to active players and recruits, as well as what Kyren Lacy's dad posted (regardless of your beliefs on that whole situation), and Kelly comes off as a Grade A, unauthentic, and grifting piece of human trash.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:52 am to NorCali
quote:I think he's just spewing off a bunch of shite.
Sorry but where are you seeing all of this?
Were there problems of course. But if everything he said was true Brian wouldn't even be able to speak about the team coherently at press conferences and he did do that.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:52 am to DByrd2
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The more I think about it, the more I feel like he didn't know what the gameplan was in-depth for the games. He left ALL prep to the staff and performed minimal oversight
Many on here always wanted a head coach who didn’t interfere. Gotta be careful what you wish for.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:09 am to kallen85
He wanted a plug & play championship without investing in it. (I’m not talking about him putting up money when he was fundraising). I also think he had contempt for the fan base. I think in general, if you’re fond of us or even take the time to understand us-we have your back.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:10 am to Tiger Ryno
Not excusing it but as you recall, at the end of Oeaux regime he was bringing his girlfriends and their kids to practice, letting them run routes, etc. in that moment, we wanted a serious, professional CEO type. There just simply has to be a younger, hungrier, X’s and O’s guy who studies film every night til 9:00 PM
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:23 am to dru5
I call BS. Below is what happens when you hire a coach. No surprises. Are you telling me that no one had a personality profile of Kelly when he was hired? Are you saying Woody did it all on his own. Outside consultants drive the process and pull together a lot of data. There should have been zero surprises about Kelly's personality.
Hiring a Head Football Coach at a Major College University (Power 4: SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12) Major universities (e.g., Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State) follow a high-stakes, confidential, data-driven process led by the Athletic Director (AD), often costing $1M+ (search firms, buyouts, legal).
The goal: Hire a coach who wins championships, boosts recruiting/NIL revenue, and satisfies boosters/alumni. Timeline: 1-6 weeks (frantic mid-season like Penn State's 2025 Franklin firing); months off-season.
Key players: AD, university president, boosters, search firms (60-80% of Power 4 hires), analytics firms (e.g., SportSource), agents (e.g., Jimmy Sexton).
2. Launch search committee (AD + 3-5 insiders). Hire search firm for secrecy. Define "fit" (e.g., recruiter, culture).Firms: DHR, Ventura ($50-300K). Analytics: Risk scores (1-10).Day 1-3. Confidentiality key—leaks kill deals.Penn State/AD Terry Pettis engages firm; targets Big Ten winners.
3. Build Candidate PoolID 20-50 targets: Coordinators (low buyout), HCs ($$), NFL. Agents pitch.Agents (Sexton reps 70% top coaches). Data on recruiting/NIL.Days 1-7. Buyout math: $5M+ for lateral moves.Penn State eyes Rhule (Nebraska), Campbell (Iowa St.), Cignetti (Indiana).
4. Vet & ScreenPhone/Zoom interviews (top 10). Background checks, refs. Gauge interest.Search firm handles logistics. Boosters "listen sessions."Week 1-2. Plausible deniability—no paper trail.Discreet calls; AI sentiment analysis.5. Final Interviews3-5 finalists visit secretly (airport hotels). Meet AD/president/boosters.On-campus later (post-offer). Pitch vision/staff.Week 2-3. NIL pitch: Collective access ($10M+).
6. Select & NegotiateOffer #1 (backup ready). Agent haggles: Salary ($7-15M), buyout (50-100%), assistants ($3M pool), incentives (CFP bonus).Legal review (tax tricks like split-dollar insurance).Days. Deal-breakers: Staff guarantees, facility funds.$100M+ deals standard; Harbaugh model.7. Close & AnnounceSign contract. Hire staff. Mega presser ($1M+ production).Comms firm preps speech. Buyout paid.Week 3-4. Fan buy-in via hype.Penn State targets Nov 2025 hire pre-CFP.
Critical Insights
Search Firms' Role (used 217+ schools since 2008): Source candidates (80% external), block leaks, negotiate. Parker/Ventura lead Power 5.
Modern Twists (NIL/Transfer Portal): Coaches must prove $20M+ fundraising via collectives. Data rules: 4 pillars (scheme/recruiting/culture/development).
Risks: Wrong hire = AD fired (e.g., 2 misses = gone). Boosters fund 50%+ but AD decides.
2025 Carousel: 12+ openings (Penn State #2 job). Fastest: 10 days (e.g., DeBoer to Bama).
This professionalized carousel mirrors NFL hires but with college chaos (boosters, NIL).
Hiring a Head Football Coach at a Major College University (Power 4: SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12) Major universities (e.g., Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State) follow a high-stakes, confidential, data-driven process led by the Athletic Director (AD), often costing $1M+ (search firms, buyouts, legal).
The goal: Hire a coach who wins championships, boosts recruiting/NIL revenue, and satisfies boosters/alumni. Timeline: 1-6 weeks (frantic mid-season like Penn State's 2025 Franklin firing); months off-season.
Key players: AD, university president, boosters, search firms (60-80% of Power 4 hires), analytics firms (e.g., SportSource), agents (e.g., Jimmy Sexton).
2. Launch search committee (AD + 3-5 insiders). Hire search firm for secrecy. Define "fit" (e.g., recruiter, culture).Firms: DHR, Ventura ($50-300K). Analytics: Risk scores (1-10).Day 1-3. Confidentiality key—leaks kill deals.Penn State/AD Terry Pettis engages firm; targets Big Ten winners.
3. Build Candidate PoolID 20-50 targets: Coordinators (low buyout), HCs ($$), NFL. Agents pitch.Agents (Sexton reps 70% top coaches). Data on recruiting/NIL.Days 1-7. Buyout math: $5M+ for lateral moves.Penn State eyes Rhule (Nebraska), Campbell (Iowa St.), Cignetti (Indiana).
4. Vet & ScreenPhone/Zoom interviews (top 10). Background checks, refs. Gauge interest.Search firm handles logistics. Boosters "listen sessions."Week 1-2. Plausible deniability—no paper trail.Discreet calls; AI sentiment analysis.5. Final Interviews3-5 finalists visit secretly (airport hotels). Meet AD/president/boosters.On-campus later (post-offer). Pitch vision/staff.Week 2-3. NIL pitch: Collective access ($10M+).
6. Select & NegotiateOffer #1 (backup ready). Agent haggles: Salary ($7-15M), buyout (50-100%), assistants ($3M pool), incentives (CFP bonus).Legal review (tax tricks like split-dollar insurance).Days. Deal-breakers: Staff guarantees, facility funds.$100M+ deals standard; Harbaugh model.7. Close & AnnounceSign contract. Hire staff. Mega presser ($1M+ production).Comms firm preps speech. Buyout paid.Week 3-4. Fan buy-in via hype.Penn State targets Nov 2025 hire pre-CFP.
Critical Insights
Search Firms' Role (used 217+ schools since 2008): Source candidates (80% external), block leaks, negotiate. Parker/Ventura lead Power 5.
Modern Twists (NIL/Transfer Portal): Coaches must prove $20M+ fundraising via collectives. Data rules: 4 pillars (scheme/recruiting/culture/development).
Risks: Wrong hire = AD fired (e.g., 2 misses = gone). Boosters fund 50%+ but AD decides.
2025 Carousel: 12+ openings (Penn State #2 job). Fastest: 10 days (e.g., DeBoer to Bama).
This professionalized carousel mirrors NFL hires but with college chaos (boosters, NIL).
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:44 am to KiwiHead
Somebody has to stop the madness with these ridiculous contracts. Let it start with LSU. Does anybody really think Kiffin is worth the money reportedly being offered by Florida? He still makes piss poor decisions on when to kick the ball, punt or field goal.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:45 am to LSBoosie
It has come out that behind the scenes Kelly relied fully on his recruiting staff and did not personally target recruits. In other words, he didn’t evaluate film on recruits. What head coach getting 9 mil per season wouldn’t want to personally choose his roster?
Posted on 10/28/25 at 10:21 am to kallen85
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He had Frank running all the day to day operations.
Ok , so that means we don't have to worry about Frank being the permanent HC.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:09 pm to kallen85
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He didn't try. He worked on LSU football the least amount of hours possible
Pelini 2.0
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:11 pm to kallen85
I think he honestly just thought he could work the same as he did at ND and just win here because he was going to have better talent.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:16 pm to kallen85
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. I still like Ed and Les even though they are not great football minds. Kelly is an utter disgrace. Good riddance!
Ed and Les were just as bad in the end and once the curtain was pulled back. Just cheaper buyouts.
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