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re: NIL is NOT the evil. The Transfer Portal is the Problem.

Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:23 am to
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
2869 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:23 am to
I still believe the draw isn’t the players it’s the schools and college football.

If there ends up being a minor league football league in the future which takes the best players and college goes back to its old model but with the players left over I strongly believe college football would still be more popular.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2703 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:24 am to
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The biggest problem is the Transfer Portal. Unlimited transfers, is the root of evil and makes it impossible to build a roster. It’s created a year to year free agent system.

It’s worse than that, it’s basically twice a year, December and May. The NFLis a lot more structured than this. Insanity
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2703 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:27 am to
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If there ends up being a minor league football league in the future which takes the best players and college goes back to its old model but with the players left over I strongly believe college football would still be more popular.

That’s the situation with college baseball. You’re getting the players that want to be at LSU.
Posted by MikeTheTiger11
Sip
Member since Sep 2023
576 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:31 am to
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Teach these kids what a commitment is, what earning things means, teach them to be accountable and responsible.


You contradicted the first part of your post with this sentence. Coaches have signed multi-year contracts which they then break and are not the ones who pay the buyout. The new school's boosters pay that, so where is that coach's responsibility?

Something needs to be done about the ability to transfer and be immediately eligible again under all circumstances, but to say kids need to learn accountability when coaches leave at the drop of the hat is ridiculous.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
137756 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:31 am to
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I cant watch college football in its current form.


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Tiger Rant


Well this is awkward.
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3647 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:46 am to
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I'm pretty confident in that position based upon decades of history. There is little to no market demand for minor league football. Just like there is little to no market demand for minor league baseball, the XFL, G-league, etc. Otherwise, those businesses would be generating millions in profit. They aren't.


A system designed for kids right of HS in football has never existed. That's different. To assume that its a valid comparison is lazy analytics at best.

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I know they want to make as much money as possible playing football. I also know minor league football isn't the way to do that. College football is...as evidenced by the fact of ever increasing NIL deals.



Your thinking is a bit limited. And again, you don't know what the athlete wants.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35228 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:19 pm to
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Is this an appropriate use of the term "Germans"? The NCAA tried. They lost that battle.
It’s almost pointless to jump into these types of threads. I think the vast majority of TD thinks that these issues are caused by new rules. And the NCAA should just go back to how it was.
Posted by TigersJump
In a land far far away
Member since Feb 2018
2902 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:24 pm to
When you have die hard fans like myself and so many others I know not having the passion for it we once had, there’s definitely many red flags going forward. I still watch LSU as always, but have cut back my viewing of college football overall dramatically. I definitely don’t follow recruiting like I used to do. What’s the point?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32021 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:41 pm to
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A system designed for kids right of HS in football has never existed. That's different. To assume that its a valid comparison is lazy analytics at best.


HS players can, and do, go straight to minor league baseball and the G-League. Yet neither are lucrative business. Why would football be any different?

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Your thinking is a bit limited. And again, you don't know what the athlete wants.


You tell us what the athlete wants...because context and all evidence since the legalization of NIL suggest the want to be paid significantly in exchange for playing football. They would be playing football in exchange for pay in a minor league. Only their net income would be less because (1) the salaries would be significantly lower and (2) they would be fully responsible for their every day expenses as opposed to in college where they get the benefit of, at minimum, free room and board.
Posted by Honestabe1809
Tampa
Member since Oct 2014
328 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 12:58 pm to
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NIL has its issues and players are going to the highest bidder. While I don’t care for it, it is manageable for college football.

The biggest problem is the Transfer Portal. Unlimited transfers, is the root of evil and makes it impossible to build a roster. It’s created a year to year free agent system.


1000%.

And its a problem the Universities could fix amongst themselves. Give them one transfer after Freshman year with zero restrictions. After that, it reverts back to the old way.

This isn't sustainable. Its building a new roster almost every year.

I think Dabo has the right idea...just don't play that game.

Posted by armydude
Member since Aug 2014
995 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:43 pm to
I agree rules need to be in place.

College football programs require a certain amount of buy-in to develop a culture. The transfer portal is making building a culture nearly impossible. It takes longer than 12 months to do so, and if you have a bunch of kids coming and going at will, the culture just becomes a revolving door.
Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
4667 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:17 pm to
Toughen the signing agreement with contract language. Include buyout clauses, early termination penalties, etc. Tax penalties etc
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3647 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:54 pm to
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HS players can, and do, go straight to minor league baseball and the G-League. Yet neither are lucrative business. Why would football be any different?



Who said anything about lucrative? Again, entirely different discussion.

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You tell us what the athlete wants


Having played college and professionally, I'll do just that. They mainly want an opportunity to play. VERY few division I athletes receive NIL. On the FCS levels, even less. NIL is impacting the VERY elite few.

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NIL suggest the want to be paid significantly in exchange for playing football


The elite few want to be paid "significantly".

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They would be playing football in exchange for pay in a minor league. Only their net income would be less because (1) the salaries would be significantly lower and (2) they would be fully responsible for their every day expenses as opposed to in college where they get the benefit of, at minimum, free room and board.


I respect your hypothesis, but you could be very wrong. There was a time that this country thought that women weren't smart enough to vote. People would justify that position by the mere fact that they had never voted. NIL is not evil. It is the first major step toward treating players fairly. The elite few are (most likely) paving the way for much needed changes in a system that is very outdated.

Posted by plance
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
1815 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:07 pm to
Both the transfer portal and NIL without significant regulations blows - HARD.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11730 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:53 pm to
The fact that none of you even have a grasp on what NIL actually means is a huge part of the problem. Name,image, and likeness has nothing to do with being paid to come to a school and everything to do with the players who BECOME famous through the sport or school being able to capitalize on that.

It wouild be a lot better if they’d get that straight.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29429 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 7:57 pm to
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Name,image, and likeness has nothing to do with being paid to come to a school and everything to do with the players who BECOME famous through the sport or school being able to capitalize on that.
In theory, yes.

In practice,

It is absolutely a pay for play cover like everyone except for the most naive saps thought it would be.
Posted by prepsportsallday
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2013
3647 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 9:33 pm to
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Both the transfer portal and NIL without significant regulations blows - HARD.


But wait! Aren't we Republican? Lol
Posted by Cannon856
Watson
Member since Nov 2019
816 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:27 pm to
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Not similar at all Coaches have contracts & buyouts. Bryce Underwood just got paid $12M & could go to Ohio State next year penalty free


Wrong! He didn’t get paid $12M. That will be paid out over four years. I doubt he stays for the fourth year so he won’t even get the full amount
Posted by Cannon856
Watson
Member since Nov 2019
816 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:33 pm to
You can’t talk sense to these morons because they’re ignorant of the facts. There will be a new thread about this subject every 2-3 days.
Posted by Cannon856
Watson
Member since Nov 2019
816 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:36 pm to
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Agreed. NCAA cant do anything about NIL, because the courts ruled it was legal to pay players. NCAA should crack down on transfers. Should have to sit out a year. That would keep people from abusing NIL to entice transfers to their school.


NCAA can’t do anything about transfers either. A federal judge issued a TRO against the NCAA on transfers over a year ago.
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