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re: NIL is NOT the evil. The Transfer Portal is the Problem.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:12 am to Tigercowboy
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:12 am to Tigercowboy
Agree with this unusually sensible TD post.
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:12 am to Tigercowboy
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And coaches pay buy outs to leave their schools…
No they don’t. The team that hires them pays it. But this is still irrelevant as that is what the coaches AGREE to.
They don’t have to agree to it.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:14 am to Miglez
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Coaches can jump schools at any time. Let the kids do the same.
It's amazing that this comment rec'd so many down votes. Fans don't give a damn about the players, just the product. I personally like the product this year. I liked the parity. LSU has plenty of resources. Spend morevwisely!
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:18 am to Tigercowboy
All that typing and NOT one description of why it's a problem.
Closest thing OP wrote was "impossible to build roster" which we see is B.S. as depicted by the built rosters every week.
Closest thing OP wrote was "impossible to build roster" which we see is B.S. as depicted by the built rosters every week.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:19 am to Tigercowboy
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At certain point, just start a minor league for football and let players go straight to the league from high school like Major League Baseball and develop kids there
Because there is no market for it. It would (eventually) be as well attended as minor league baseball games, the XFL/USFL, G-league, etc. The ONLY reason you watch and care so much about the players is because they play for the LSU Tigers, Texas Longhorns, Ohio State Buckeyes, etc. Take the schools and the 100+ years of goodwill built into the brand out of the equation then the collection of players will just be on a team no one really cares about.
The players don't want a minor league team because they can make significantly more money being a college player. The schools don't want to get rid of football because it generates MILLIONS in revenue for the school. Revenue that, right now, they don't have to share with the players. The players are being paid by outside parties...not the schools/athletic dept.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:27 am to Alt26
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Because there is no market for it.
You really can't speak on this.
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The players don't want a minor league team because they can make significantly more money being a college player.
You don't know what players want.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:29 am to Tigercowboy
I like it. It's made things pretty interesting.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:35 am to Tigercowboy
They go hand in hand.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:37 am to Tigercowboy
Simple. You get one transfer without sitting. The second transfer gets you sitting out a year.
It’s 100% more than dudes got back in the 90’s and 2000’s. There has got to be a final destination at some point.
It’s 100% more than dudes got back in the 90’s and 2000’s. There has got to be a final destination at some point.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:40 am to Tigercowboy
Players need to sign their NIL contract for x number of years and if they leave early/hit the transfer portal, they have to either pay a buyout or sit out a year.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:42 am to Tigercowboy
I like this. Schools are building new teams every year because of it. The NIL situation also needs a cap and needs to be gradual and performance based.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:51 am to prepsportsallday
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You really can't speak on this.
I'm pretty confident in that position based upon decades of history. There is little to no market demand for minor league football. Just like there is little to no market demand for minor league baseball, the XFL, G-league, etc. Otherwise, those businesses would be generating millions in profit. They aren't.
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You don't know what players want.
I know they want to make as much money as possible playing football. I also know minor league football isn't the way to do that. College football is...as evidenced by the fact of ever increasing NIL deals.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:55 am to Tigercowboy
quote:What we have now is absolutely evil. It's not NIL. What we have is pay to play. If players were actually paid for their NIL, which would only be valuable for certain players, there would be no evil.
NIL is NOT the evil.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 10:56 am to Tigercowboy
The transfer portal is being spurred by NIL at this point. They are a symbiotic pariah.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:01 am to Tigercowboy
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NIL is NOT the evil. The Transfer Portal is the Problem.
Yes. However, you have 2 things coming together with NIL as a concept that don't mix well. Lots of money and desperation. Add to the fact that the NCAA doesn't penalize pay-for-play and its all fricked up. If NIL was true NIL and people weren't paying over fair value, then it'd be fine.
Same with coaching contracts. Coaches are way over paid and ADs don't care.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:07 am to Miglez
[quote]Coaches can jump schools at any time. Let the kids do the same. It's a job for coaches, College football is not meant to be a Job dipshit; this isnt the NFL and free agency
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:08 am to Tigercowboy
There should be some consequence to break a commitment.
Coaches get paid a lot. If they bolt before their contract is up they have to pay a buyout or whatever negative consequence is in the contract. If the school fires a coach, there is a buyout.
If a player holds a program hostage for a high NIL deal, gets it, and then bolts the next year, there is no negative consequence. NIL does not follow the real world transaction rules that everything else in life does. That is the part of NIL that needs to be fixed.
For the portal, tampering is against the rules in every professional sport. Not in CFB though. That needs to get fixed.
I also think we are reinforcing quitting within our young generation by allowing constantly transferring when things don't work out perfectly. The old rules should be reinstalled that if you transfer, you sit out a year and then can play. This rule should've never been undone, but we have Justin Fields's racism experiences from UGA his freshman year (that apparently his sister didn't experience since she stayed enrolled) to thank for the shite show we have now.
Coaches get paid a lot. If they bolt before their contract is up they have to pay a buyout or whatever negative consequence is in the contract. If the school fires a coach, there is a buyout.
If a player holds a program hostage for a high NIL deal, gets it, and then bolts the next year, there is no negative consequence. NIL does not follow the real world transaction rules that everything else in life does. That is the part of NIL that needs to be fixed.
For the portal, tampering is against the rules in every professional sport. Not in CFB though. That needs to get fixed.
I also think we are reinforcing quitting within our young generation by allowing constantly transferring when things don't work out perfectly. The old rules should be reinstalled that if you transfer, you sit out a year and then can play. This rule should've never been undone, but we have Justin Fields's racism experiences from UGA his freshman year (that apparently his sister didn't experience since she stayed enrolled) to thank for the shite show we have now.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:09 am to Miglez
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Coaches can jump schools at any time. Let the kids do the same
When is the last time you saw a coach change schools 4 times in 4 years?? It definitely needs limitations…
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:13 am to Tigercowboy
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I truly believe the portal being unlimited is the biggest problem in college football.
How is parity worse for college football?
It might be worse for LSU who now can't hoard in state talent for 4 years. We are seeing the consequence of this with a thin secondary and WR corps. But it's been fantastic for the product of college football.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 11:16 am to MikeD89
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When is the last time you saw a coach change schools 4 times in 4 years?? It definitely needs limitations…
I figured if I googled 5 names I could come up with something to give an example.
I started with a more common name -- Kalen Deboer.
2019 - Indiana
2020/2021 - Fresno State
2022/2023 - Washington
2024 - Alabama
first name. 4 schools in 6 year. Not 4 in 4, but most kids are not transferring to 4 different schools within a 4 year period.
EDIT -- took me 3 more names, but here is another common one. Mike Bobo. 3 schools in 3 years from 2020- 2022. South Carolina, Auburn, UGA.
Coaches are the worst offenders of this.
I wish people would say what they mean when they get upset about all of this. Most people who "worry about the tradition" are really upset that these kids are being given more liberty and respect than we were at their age. You would have been scolded for job hopping and just looking for the new opportunity, so it threatens your worldview that the next generation doesn't have to abide. My advice is to get over it.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 11:20 am
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