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re: Missed field goal result of not being ready?

Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:51 pm to
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I still can't see what is not clear to you


It's not clear to me why the staff didn't immediately realize, like myself and millions of football fans around the world did, that there was virtually no chance of Auburn accepting that penalty.

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This is exactly why rushed FGs are practiced regularly. If the scenario is manageable by a coach, why would it be routinely practiced?


Rushed FG's are practiced for situations where there are only a few seconds on the game clock, and you can't stop it. Not where there is a stoppage of play and you still have a full 0:25 left. I'm not saying this is a massive failure, or that Alleman shouldn't share the blame...but it was bad situational coaching
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:54 pm to
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like myself and millions of football fans around the world did, that there was virtually no chance of Auburn accepting that penalty.



Well me and Todd Blackledge aren't in that million. We both had to think for a few seconds about what Auburn should do there and what affect it would have on the clock, as I'm sure Auburn/Chizik themselves did for a moment.

Not to mention you can't decide what to do until you know what the actual flag was for in the first place...the flag could have been for anything, you can't just assume that it was holding the second you see the flag. Hell, it could have been a late false start call that is not declinable in the first place.

Regardless, it's all irrelevant....It was a FG situation, we got the FG team out there, and we kicked the FG. Not real sure what all the fuss is about considering we did exactly what we were supposed to in that situation. Alleman simply has to make that kick, period, rushed or not.

Given the situation, the refs should have gone over to LSU's sideline to convey the call before starting up the game and play clock IMO.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 4:00 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 4:00 pm to
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Not to mention you can't decide what to do until you know what the actual flag was for in the first place...the flag could have been for anything, you can't just assume that it was holding the second you see the flag.


Here is what I saw...

ref signals holding to head ref
head ref signals holding to Chizik
Chizik makes decline motion
head ref makes call to the stadium

Now, fwiw, I do have amazing powers of penalty prediction...
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
818 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 4:05 pm to
So if we had run the FG team out there, then had to run them back off due to whatever reason, you would be on here saying how that chinese fire drill was a sign of astute coaching?

Bottom line, this was a situation in which time was limited, and there likely was a tiny bit of home cooking in how fast the clock started, and we still got a clean snap and clean hold.

It really is not much of an example of coaching incompetence. Unless that is just what you want to see.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 4:11 pm to
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So if we had run the FG team out there, then had to run them back off due to whatever reason, you would be on here saying how that chinese fire drill was a sign of astute coaching?


my first reaction would have been...what the hell is Chizik doing? But had this scenario occurred there would have been an addition 15-20 seconds to work with while the refs marked off the penalty yardage, the down marker got moved, etc.

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t really is not much of an example of coaching incompetence. Unless that is just what you want to see.


First, check my post history, I'm not one looking to pin anything on the staff. Second, I didn't say it was incompetence, it was just an error.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84554 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 4:22 pm to
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The Ole Miss debacle was a LOSS.
That loss was due to poor play all game long.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:43 pm to
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Given the situation, the refs should have gone over to LSU's sideline to convey the call before starting up the game and play clock IMO.


Is that a fricking joke?

The only communication the offending team gets is:
1. The foul
2. The player's number
3. The other team's decision whether they accept/decline the penalty for the foul

You want a couseling session?
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:05 pm to
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The only communication the offending team gets is:
1. The foul
2. The player's number
3. The other team's decision whether they accept/decline the penalty for the foul



Which is all I would expect ... But I do believe in moments like that, especially when the clock is stopped anyway, it's probably appropriate for the officials to make sure all the above is definitively communicated to the coaches (for both teams) by at least one official. They may very well have done just that.

All that said, if LSU had a timeout left in this particular situation, it wouldn't have mattered.
Posted by lsuexpert57
Back Brusly
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:42 pm to
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Yeah, but you're not talking about wins and losses with regards to time management issues. The Ole Miss debacle was a LOSS. The TN was almost one and I believe there was another game either last year of year before (someone help me out here) that could have led to a loss. Sorry, lsuexpert57, but time management is VERY important in coaching.


No its not. Not in terms of a coaches win/loss record over a long period of time. This is Miles 8th season here. In all those years you can maybe come up with 5 or 6 games where a game was in the balance and time managment issues caused an LSU loss. Thats not very many in the grand scheme of things. The man has won 79 games in 8 and 1/4 seasons, how important can time management be if he sucks at it?

What the Miles haters refuse to see about CLM is what he is truly great at. Building a great football team is about way more than just recruiting great players or running a great scheme, or being good at "time management".

What Miles can do that all those other guys who are staring at the clock can't do...is teach a team to be TOUGH! Teach a team to play as a TEAM! Teach a team to COMPETE! Allow a team to play LOOSE and let their athletic abilities shine through. Miles can also be the kind of guy that players WANT to follow...he is a leader in every sense of the word.

You can focus on all those little things you see on gameday that you think gives other coaches the advantage...but what you refuse to realize is that CLM is a rare coach with rare abilities and we are DAMN lucky to have him.

Vince Lombardi didn't become the best coach in history because he was better at "time managment" than all the other guys. He was the best because he was good at all those things I just described that CLM is good at!

You go learn you a little football there Hoss and then maybe one day you can be an LSU "expert" like me.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
172737 posts
Posted on 9/25/12 at 2:20 am to
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Alleman is not a consistent kicker, only an adequate one. He will miss at least two more and a PAT or two

Stupidest post in this thread.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36649 posts
Posted on 9/25/12 at 8:04 am to
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He was caught in your so called "WTF moment" when both the visual and audio signals for the penalty were not clear from Tom Ritter.

We lost maybe 3 seconds from Les asking for confirmation of the call to the booth, then sending in the FG team.

As I said earlier, this is one of those little items that come into play because you are the visiting team.


Just watched the replay on ESPN3

1) There was virtually NO crowd noise when the official was announcing the call. It was as quiet as it could be.

2) I counted a full 14 seconds from when the ref finished announcing the play until you see Alleman begin to run onto the field.

3) The game clock wasn't started until 4 seconds after the ref finished announcing the penalty and down. I think the play clock started about the same time.


Small notes: It was 1:07 when the clock stopped. They start to run on the field with 57 seconds on game clock, giving them 14 seconds to run on field, set up, and kick. On 3rd down LSU set up late and only snapped the ball with 2 seconds on the play clock. How this happens out of a timeout I will never know.

Yes, Alleman should have made that kick. Unfortunately the coaches made it harder than it had to be.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/25/12 at 8:06 am to
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1) There was virtually NO crowd noise when the official was announcing the call. It was as quiet as it could be.


I'm going to let you figure this one out on your own...
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 9/25/12 at 8:07 am to
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We had no more timeouts. Two were wasted because of confusion on play calls earlier in the half.


you take a delay of game penalty there. 39 yards is well within his range. He's shown he can make the pressure kick (Bama last year). It was just fricking stupid to make him take that
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