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re: McMahon may prove to be a solid hire.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:17 pm to tiggah1981
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:17 pm to tiggah1981
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didnt MM inherit only 1 scholarship player in Mwani Wilkenson? A player who couldn't dribble, pass, or shoot.
I also think CMM is the 15th highest paid sec coach
In one short post you've inadvertently exemplified the frustration in a lot of the discussions about LSU basketball. "I don't really have the correct information...but I'm going to draw definitive conclusions anyway."
He returned three players from the 21-22 team. Obviously that is not a lot. But it is not uncommon in this era of college basketball when a coaching change is made. Arkansas is returning exactly ONE player from last year's roster this season.
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I also think CMM is the 15th highest paid sec coach
I'm not quite sure the relevance of this statement. Are you suggesting no one should expect results from McMahon because of his "low" salary?" Or are you suggesting that if he were paid more he would be winning more?
Regardless, in McMahon's first season at LSU his salary was $3.04M. Six new coaches were hired by SEC teams in that cycle. McMahon's salary was the 3rd highest of that group. The highest of that group was Mike White at $3.4M. For reference, Nate Oats was starting Year 1 of a new deal that was paying him $3.4M. Only 5 HCs in the SEC had annual salaries above $3.4M...Calipari, Barnes, Pearl, Musselman, Buzz Williams. McMahon's salary was right in line with a major conf. HC who had never coached a single major conf. game.
Since that time other guys on this list have gotten raises. However, that was after they reached the NCAA Tournament (Jans, Paris, Golden, etc). Are you suggesting McMahon should have gotten a new contract/raise as well despite accomplishing nothing?
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:26 pm to Madking
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The entire roster was still here when he was hired. The portal wasn’t even open until 3 weeks later. Don’t know where this fantasy came from but everyone was still here when McMahon was hired.
This feels like a slimy argument. Just because the portal wasn't officially open doesn't mean that the players for the most part hadn't already made up their minds. As soon as it opened, all but Mwani tested the waters. He was able to lure a couple back but retaining CWW players was always going to be an uphill battle.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:30 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Well Miller was the first to say he was leaving but ended up coming back so if he had time to convince the first guy who wanted to bail to return he had time to re recruit them all. The other guys just didn’t want to play for him. Regardless it’s a fact they were all still here but the narrative has been they weren’t which is incorrect.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:38 pm to Safety Blitz
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McMahon may prove to be a solid hire.
He is KILLING it on the recruiting trail, we are about to be back!
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:41 pm to Alt26
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In one short post you've inadvertently exemplified the frustration in a lot of the discussions about LSU basketball. "I don't really have the correct information...but I'm going to draw definitive conclusions anyway."
it was a question, notice the ? at the end of the sentence
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He returned three players from the 21-22 team. Obviously that is not a lot.
its not, especially when the other two i didn't mention either didn't play or hardly played the season prior
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I'm not quite sure the relevance of this statement. Are you suggesting no one should expect results from McMahon because of his "low" salary?" Or are you suggesting that if he were paid more he would be winning more?
neither, i think for being 15th (currently) he's doing quite well with what he was handed in an era of the transfer portal and NIL. However, I think this is a big year for him in terms of improvement in the win column
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:55 pm to Safety Blitz
People don't realize the bad situation McMahon stepped into at LSU.
The NCAA had a huge vendetta against LSU because of Wade. All the players left and recruiting was extremely hamstrung because of the looming threat of probation. This is the first rectruiting cycle where we can't be negatively recruited against.
Last season was increadible to finish above 500 in SEC with many players that weren't recruited by any other SEC teams
The NCAA had a huge vendetta against LSU because of Wade. All the players left and recruiting was extremely hamstrung because of the looming threat of probation. This is the first rectruiting cycle where we can't be negatively recruited against.
Last season was increadible to finish above 500 in SEC with many players that weren't recruited by any other SEC teams
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:08 pm to tiggah1981
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its not, especially when the other two i didn't mention either didn't play or hardly played the season prior
So you knew they didn't play or hardly played the season before, but you didn't know they returned? Seems odd
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neither, i think for being 15th (currently) he's doing quite well with what he was handed in an era of the transfer portal and NIL. However, I think this is a big year for him in terms of improvement in the win column
So as long as he is one of the lowest paid HCs a losing record is "doing quite well"? Are you saying that his low salary is a reason he's not performed better? Hell, by that logic all LSU has to do is cut his salary by $1M - $2M and he would be doing an incredible job.
Of course, like I said, he wasn't always the lowest paid in the SEC. When he was hired he had a larger salary than three other new SEC HCs (Gates, Jans, Paris). McMahon didn't become one of the lowest paid HCs because LSU decided to reduce his salary. It's because the other guys got raises after doing the "unimaginable" in the transfer era...reaching the NCAA Tournament in year 1 or 2 at their new job. I'm not quite sure what his salary has to do with the discussion at all.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:34 pm to TigerDM
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People don't realize the bad situation McMahon stepped into at LSU.
The NCAA had a huge vendetta against LSU because of Wade.
Is that why the NCAA hammered LSU with the "crushing" sanctions of 1 scholarship loss, per season, for two whole years? Sanctions that had no actual effect because LSU still fielded rosters with 13 scholarship caliber players. The again, I guess it's wonder LSU even still has a basketball program after the NCAA "decimated" it because of their vendetta.
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All the players left
Three returned. But other than that, you're right.
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recruiting was extremely hamstrung because of the looming threat of probation
McMahon signed the 17th ranked HS recruiting class that season under that "looming threat of probation" For reference, this years signing class was ranked 14th.
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Last season was increadible to finish above 500 in SEC with many players that weren't recruited by any other SEC teams
Will Baker was a high 4/fringe 5 star prospect who originally singed with Texas. Hannibal (South Carolina), Cook (LSU), Wright (Vanderbilt); Fountain (Mississippi St), Damion Collins (Kentucky) weren't just recruited by SEC schools...they played for them before coming to LSU. Jalen Reed was committed to Florida before flipping late to LSU. Mike Williams had offers from Wake Forest, Clemson, Syracuse, Houston, in addition to LSU. Corey Chest had offers from Houston, Ole Miss, A&M, Vanderbilt aside from LSU. Ward had offers from Indiana, Louisville, Maryland, Xavier, Virginia, Georgetown in addition to LSU. The only two players on LSU's roster last year who either didn't play or weren't heavily recruited by major conf. programs were Hunter Dean and Carols Stewart.
One of the posters above is right. I think some people are still convinced LSU (a) got the "death penalty" and (b) the rosters the last two seasons were comprised of guys they signed after open tryouts at the Rec center
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:42 pm to TigerDM
His first class was ranked 15-17 nationally composite which includes freshman and transfers. We were picked to be in the middle of the pack in the SEC and a bubble team.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:47 pm to Safety Blitz
He is recruiting well. Last years team was at least competitive. If we continue to improve he may be awesome.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:50 pm to Alt26
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So you knew they didn't play or hardly played the season before, but you didn't know they returned? Seems odd
ya, it’s called looking it up after the link was posted in the thread…wtf is so odd about that. You got got some issues
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:56 pm to TigerDM
quote:This is the idiocy LSU basketball fans have to contend with.
The NCAA had a huge vendetta against LSU because of Wade. All the players left
LSU lost one scholarship for 2 years, out of 13 potential scholarships. Huge vendetta. Will Wade got a 2-year show cause (suspension/recruiting restrictions) and served a 10 game suspension at McNeese State. Huge vendetta. As much as people on this site complain of the media, some sure do love to eat up everything Pat Forde and Dickie V regurgitated for years.
And all the players did not leave. It doesn't matter how many times you say, it won't make it true.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:58 pm to Safety Blitz
I believe a Coach must be given 4 - 5 years
Posted on 10/2/24 at 7:01 pm to tiggah1981
quote:Yeah, Alt certainly has issues.
ya, it’s called looking it up after the link was posted in the thread…wtf is so odd about that. You got got some issues
Dude literally states facts along with his own opinions and is one of the best LSU basketball posters on this site. Which means, he definitely has issues choosing to deal with this idiotic fanbase.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 7:19 pm to The Pirate King
This guy would blow O in front of his parents. O sucked asshat.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:56 pm to ronk
We have the players to compete for the tournament this year. I’ve been in the fence but always have coach Mac the benifit of the doubt cause he’s gonna be here this year and next regardless. My issue is that unless we find an “Identity” as a team nothing will change. Hopefully he’s brought in some people to help with the offense and maybe his defensive philosophy has changed. All that being said, I recognized that we have sorta “improved” record wise. But I’m not gonna celebrate it or be content with sub par record and sub par coaching. I hope the last couple years has just been a learning curve and he gets it right
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:16 pm to Primeminister337
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Primeminister337
quote:See... this is when I know someone cares about LSU basketball.
We have the players to compete for the tournament this year. I’ve been in the fence but always have coach Mac the benifit of the doubt cause he’s gonna be here this year and next regardless. My issue is that unless we find an “Identity” as a team nothing will change. Hopefully he’s brought in some people to help with the offense and maybe his defensive philosophy has changed. All that being said, I recognized that we have sorta “improved” record wise. But I’m not gonna celebrate it or be content with sub par record and sub par coaching. I hope the last couple years has just been a learning curve and he gets it right
I don't even know you as a poster, but I (and others) appreciate that post.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:20 pm to Tiger Ugly
I just don't know what to expect out of this team except some improvement over last year. We've really missed having good ball handler's and i think this team will have more of that.
100% agree on your comment about toughness.
Also, who is the "go to" guy when you need a bucket?
100% agree on your comment about toughness.
Also, who is the "go to" guy when you need a bucket?
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:20 pm to UnAnon
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Year 3 is make or break
Year 4 could be even better, he’s recruiting a top 10 class there already
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:20 am to The Pirate King
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Same doesn't apply to Kelly I guess
Get over it King, Ed O is history.
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