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re: Maybe it's the school, not the coach. Wisconsin D is dominating.

Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:26 am to
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
14768 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:26 am to
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i really wish i could figure out why there is this push to discredit Aranda.


I’ve wondered about this too. It’s very strange.

Could it be that Aranda has informed LSU he is taking a head coaching gig somewhere after this year and all this is more Ponamski propaganda being pushed to get a “we really didn’t need Aranda anyway” message floating out there?

I can’t make sense of it any other way.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41754 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:27 am to
Maybe it is their opposition.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8682 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:27 am to
Wisconsin hasn’t faced a team with an offensive pulse all season. They play a bunch of plodding big 10 teams who still play like a les miles wet dream.

Michigan and Iowa both have white receivers and running backs for Christ sakes. Let me know when Wisconsin shuts down Ohio state
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71786 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:28 am to
wisconsin would not have a dominate d in the SEC regardless

get back to us when they play ohio st

aranda was great before wisconsin btw.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 11:29 am
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77700 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:28 am to
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Wisconsin


By far and away my favorite Big 10 team
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16386 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:40 am to
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i really wish i could figure out why there is this push to discredit Aranda

I'm not sure that's the case here. Why do some fear honest analysis? None of this indicates Aranda isn't a top DC.

There are some that take unfair shots at Aranda to cover the offense's past shortcomings and lately there's been a rush to put some of the D's struggles on our now uptempo, high scoring offense. What were considered "excuses" for the offense previously are now "explanations" for the defenses' issues this season.

Aranda is a very good DC and historically his defenses improve as the season progresses. The D will be OK. We got glimpses of it coming together yesterday. We also need Chaisson to get healthy and be the player he's projected to be.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71881 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:42 am to
Schools don’t just produce good defenses despite coaching. That’s not how it works. Wisconsin just made a good hire and kept things rolling defensively after Aranda left.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60673 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:53 am to
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Why do some fear honest analysis?


There is a difference between honest analysis and gratuitous bashing much of what I’ve seen falls in the later category. The defense got torched in the 2nd half vs Texas, shite happens. There were a couple lapses vs Vandy but nothing worth melting over like many here did. It’s also fun that when O was being roasted for losses to Troy and MSU a couple years ago, the lack of DL depth was trotted out and blame cast on Miles but this year DL injuries are waved away as excuses go figure
Posted by BatonRougeBuckeye
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2013
1872 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:59 am to
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Let me know when Wisconsin shuts down Ohio state


Correct. Never forget the 2014 Wisconsin defense with Dave Aranda were statistically very good until...they faced tOSU in the Big Ten championship game and gave up 59 points and 250 rushing yards to zeke.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:12 pm to
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The stats as I applied them say, "yes".


If you go off stats alone and only stats, then your answer is obviously correct. But in all reality if you aren’t number 1 in your stats department, got news for you, statically they all could improve, even number 1 can improve their stats. So without putting context behind the text you are actually wrong in your comparisons, not in your statistics but in your comparisons!

And here is why, because you can take all the stats you want and compare them team to team in order to compare which Coach’s are doing better than other Coach’s. But until you give each coach the same identical team that plays the same identical schedule, you aren’t comparing true Apple to Apple comparisons! Even if you are just taking SEC coaches to try and see within the conference You are comparing apples but different types of apples which have different tastes and uses.

So while your statistical analysis was correct, your comparison analysis fell woefully short!
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16386 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:23 pm to
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There were a couple lapses vs Vandy but nothing worth melting over like many here did

I agree, but UGA and even Ole Miss held Vandy to 6 points. We allowed more points and yards to NW St than a D2 team did. It's a simple fact and not a reason to panic, but obviously the coaches have come out and stated the problems needed to be corrected. So if the coaches say it's an issue, why do you say it's not?

They cleaned it up and looked much better vs USU. I'm glad the coaches didn't say it's all good. Instead they addressed it and shut down a very god offense. That's all most of us expect. See the problem and fix it.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33857 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:36 pm to
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None of this indicates Aranda isn't a top DC.


There are people that have said we can go out and get any number of DCs that are just as good as him.

You're insane if you don't see the feeding frenzy that takes place whenever we give up a TD. "This is what we get for $2.5m?" Never fails.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293798 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:39 pm to
People overanalyze everything. The offseason had the same people pushing the same stale points which turned out to be wrong.

This is just more overanalyzing. At the end of the season we will know how good Aranda is, this is way too early to judge this defense.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16386 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:43 pm to
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There are people that have said we can go out and get any number of DCs that are just as good as him.

You're insane if you don't see the feeding frenzy that takes place whenever we give up a TD. "This is what we get for $2.5m?" Never fails.

Oh I agree. A lot of it is the crew that defended O and the offense to a fault. I'm just saying we can be objective. None of the coaches should be put on a pedestal and a fair critique is not "bashing". There's been a weird choosing of sides between the offense and defense and their coaches. I thought they were the same team.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293798 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:46 pm to
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You're insane if you don't see the feeding frenzy that takes place whenever we give up a TD.


This happens every game regardless of coach or status. It's nothing new and not solely on Aranda. Its just his turn this year.

This fanbase hates everything and everyone. At some point this season Orgeron, Ensminger, Burrow and Brady will get turned on too.
The low IQ element here will make sure of it.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28840 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:48 pm to
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Fail! None of this changed since Aranda left.


Actually truth. I did this with Wisconsin fans a year ago. For the most part Wisconsin plays nobody yearly. The reason why they had a poor record last year was because they played the big teams in the conference.

In addition, the offenses they play are routinely mediocre. Go right now and compare the SEC offenses in the same span to Big Ten offenses.
Posted by AviationGuy
Michigan
Member since Sep 2019
13 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 12:59 pm to
Yes, that juggernaut offense that is florida
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28190 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:00 pm to
Maybe Wisconsin plays Les Miles offenses all year every year.

No disrespect meant to Wisconsin, great program, but let’s be real... Big10 offenses (much like many SEC offenses historically) - generally-speaking - just suck.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293798 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:03 pm to
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Maybe Wisconsin plays Les Miles offenses all year every year.


yep, I was going to say the same thing.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16386 posts
Posted on 10/6/19 at 1:07 pm to
The Big 10 West is very weak offensively and overall. Wisky only rotationally plays tOSU and Penn St which are the better offenses.
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