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re: Matt Flynn was not better than Jamarcus Russell at LSU
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:13 am to AlexLSU
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:13 am to AlexLSU
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Those who think Flynn is better than Russell also think that Hester is better than any black RB we have. Despite the fact that Russell is superior in every statistical category relevant to a QB, they still think Flynn was better. Why you ask?
Because he lost the same amount of games, threw more picks, less TDs, less yards, and completed fewer passes. Oh, and because he was behind JR on the depth chart the year before.
Makes perfect sense.
Yeah, cause stats mean everything.
Sign, championship teams
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:15 am to SPEEDY
quote:+1
But Flynn led us to a NC and Russell didn't, so
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:24 am to ElleshooTGR
Both Flynn and Russell had a pretty good team around them. Clearly Russell had the bigger arm, Flynn was niftier with his feet.
The question comes down to leadership and decision making. Probably in these categories, Russell was the better leader, Flynn the better decision maker.
Both guys showed real verve in some games. Russell was probably the more disappointing of the two because there were a couple games in his LSU career in which you thought that a different decision might have lead to a W instead of an L (Auburn/Florida/Georgia) and as a result a shot at the National Championship. But that is football baby.
The question comes down to leadership and decision making. Probably in these categories, Russell was the better leader, Flynn the better decision maker.
Both guys showed real verve in some games. Russell was probably the more disappointing of the two because there were a couple games in his LSU career in which you thought that a different decision might have lead to a W instead of an L (Auburn/Florida/Georgia) and as a result a shot at the National Championship. But that is football baby.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:33 am to jacksimmons2000
quote:All the talent in the world means nothing without a brain.
Russell was probably the more disappointing of the two because there were a couple games in his LSU career in which you thought that a different decision might have lead to a W instead of an L (Auburn/Florida/Georgia) and as a result a shot at the National Championship. But that is football baby.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:45 am to Elleshoe
No way we win a NC with JR at QB. Imagine JR trying to learn Crowton's scheme in less than a year.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:57 am to MasonTiger
Interesting how this topic can still generate a multi page thread.
Are you saying that in reference to JR? If so, it means a couple of double digit win seasons for the Tigers and quite a few millions of dollars for JR as a pro.
quote:
All the talent in the world means nothing without a brain
Are you saying that in reference to JR? If so, it means a couple of double digit win seasons for the Tigers and quite a few millions of dollars for JR as a pro.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:02 am to Methuselah
Ahh what the heck, I'll stir the pot...
Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and Early Doucet >> Early Doucet, Demetrius Byrd, Brandon Lafell (sophmore version)
Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and Early Doucet >> Early Doucet, Demetrius Byrd, Brandon Lafell (sophmore version)
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:05 am to Elleshoe
how boring blah blah blah
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:26 am to AlexLSU
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Despite the fact that Russell is superior in every statistical category relevant to a QB, they still think Flynn was better.
won loss % begs to differ...
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:02 am to lsug
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While were at it; Tee Martin was light years ahead of Peyton Manning
Which means JR is better than Peyton Manning because he has a stronger arm.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:34 am to Elleshoe
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Matt Flynn was not better than Jamarcus Russell at LSU
JR was all about JR. Was not much of a fan when I saw him walking down the hill with the team wearing a pink suit and white shoes. Why? So he could stand out.
JR cared and still cares about JR.
Flynn > JR
Yes, he played for LSU. Yes, he was good. However, he will never excel because he is too focused on himself. He will be fat and bankrupt in the next 10 years.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:35 am to AlexLSU
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Those who think Flynn is better than Russell also think that Hester is better than any black RB we have.
Dumbest post ever. Not only dumb, but patently false.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:40 am to SPEEDY
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But Flynn led us to a NC and Russell didn't, so
/end thread
signed,
Tards
I'd say Flynn was better
But you're not comparing apples to apples because Flynn played as a 5th year senior and JR didn't.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:42 am to Elleshoe
In spite of the talent gap between Flynn and Russell (Russell>>>>>Flynn), Flynn may well end up staying on an NFL roster longer than Russell.
I hope JR turns it around and he we always be one of my favorite LSU players. BUT, if he doesn't have some kind of attitude adjustment I think he will fade into obscurity and the only time we will see him is on one of those "biggest busts" documentaries that are shown on the NFL network, amongst other famous college players like Ryan Leaf, Kyle Bosworth, and Tony Mandarich.
I hope JR turns it around and he we always be one of my favorite LSU players. BUT, if he doesn't have some kind of attitude adjustment I think he will fade into obscurity and the only time we will see him is on one of those "biggest busts" documentaries that are shown on the NFL network, amongst other famous college players like Ryan Leaf, Kyle Bosworth, and Tony Mandarich.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:47 am to Ween
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JR was all about JR. Was not much of a fan when I saw him walking down the hill with the team wearing a pink suit and white shoes. Why? So he could stand out.
JR cared and still cares about JR
Is there a particular play that you can point to while at LSU that Russell made or didn't make that would lead you to believe that he was playing strictly for himself and not to lead his team to a win...or is your opinion based solely on fashion?
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:52 am to Elleshoe
personally I think the records in 06 & 07 would have been about the same with either starting. I would've liked to have seen a few design plays for Flynn (run/pass options) in 06. Could have made a difference in the Auburn game that year.
the primary differences between the 2 were size and arm strength...other than that they were fairly comparable. JR had throws he made better, and Flynn had some he made better. Flynn was probably better on designed runs, but Russell could scramble pretty well.
the primary differences between the 2 were size and arm strength...other than that they were fairly comparable. JR had throws he made better, and Flynn had some he made better. Flynn was probably better on designed runs, but Russell could scramble pretty well.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:52 am to Elleshoe
Russell lost us championships by his stupid arse decisions... Flynn won us a championship by making good decisions... he wasnt as talented as JR but he got the job done... kinda curious if we woulda won more NCs if he played all 4 yrs
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:56 am to The Sportsman
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The Sportsman
Retard
Flynn won us championships b/c of LUCK. We were lucky that there was no team in the West with 1 conference loss. We were lucky b/c OU beat Mizzou and Pitt beat WV on the last day of the season. We were lucky in 2007.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:58 am to SPEEDY
yes 
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:01 am to Elleshoe
Flynn was better cuz he is white
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