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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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finally we're abandoning the FB
frick
We're going to have to cut like 13 guys!!!!
0
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:45 am to SulphursFinest
Yeah I mean You’ll never see the saints run a sweep or a reverse.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:46 am to Tiger Ree
Wasn’t Miles known for trying new things in the spring but were never implemented in the fall. Be careful what you read into all this revamping the offense talk.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:46 am to Tiger Ree
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hurry-up, multi-receiver package where the quarterback reads just one person – maybe an inside linebacker or deep safety – before the firing the ball.
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spread-type offense that relies heavily on quick and intermediate passing and scatbacks in the backfield.
About
fricking
Time
This is exactly what LSU's offense had been missing all those years under Les Miles. It's amazing. You would think coaches at that level would want to do what it takes to win and be creative and open-minded in order to achieve that goal. Yet, so many suffer from Golden Age syndrome and are stuck in a mental rut of their Glory years as a player or as a coach on a successful program in the past. Thinking that the world around them never changes and trying to bang that square peg into that round hole.
As much as I rag on Corch 0, at least it looks as though he and Ensminger are willing to try whatever works to move the ball offensively in what will likely be their last hurrah coaching at the college level. If they get this right they could go out in a blaze of glory and cap off careers that were mediocre at best and end on a good note.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
I want to buy in so bad, I really do, but after 10 years I just can not let myself get caught up in the hype until I see the product on the field.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:53 am to Clark W Griswold
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Once again this will work great against most teams. But then we play Georgia and Bama who actually have a defense. What will we do to not look silly in those games. That’s what I wanna see us work on.
Nice spin.
The most offensive success LSU has had against Alabama in the last three years came under Canada’s offense.
Special Ed and Ensminger’s offense did great against garbage teams in 2016 and then scored a grand total of 10 points against Florida and Alabama that year.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:54 am to Tiger Ree
Toss Dive
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:54 am to TheDeathValley
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but after 10 years I just can not let myself get caught up in the hype until I see the product on the field.
i mean if it were Les I would completely dismiss any of this talk, that it's Ed and he has to know if he doesn't do better than 9-4 he's going to be gone sooner rather than later gives me a glimmer of hope. Maybe he can give up control to his buddies easier? Maybe Canada really was just that much of a dick?
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:55 am to nola000
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As much as I rag on Corch 0, at least it looks as though he and Ensminger are willing to try whatever works to move the ball offensively in what will likely be their last hurrah coaching at the college level. If they get this right they could go out in a blaze of glory and cap off careers that were mediocre at best and end on a good note
I agree, but I just have to question whether or not they have the knowledge of the intricate details that make those systems work for other teams.
Our offensive situation is comparable to taking a group of guys who haven’t done ridiculously advanced math in 20 years, putting them in a room for 4 months, letting them try to figure it out themselves with limited instruction, and then sending them off to a math competition against some of the brightest, most highly trained minds on earth.
It’s like people forget that our OC’s who haven’t installed an offense since Bill Clinton was president are going against some of the brightest, hardest working, most consistently-employed-by-top-programs football minds in the world. I just don’t see how that could logistically work out, but I really, really hope they prove me wrong.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:55 am to TaderSalad
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Reading this with no organized football experience, this appears to be hype driven. "Oh, look at what we're doing... we're studying two NFL teams that have potent offenses."
It's more just naming a few high potent offenses to make comparisons to. It's like comparing the soft throwing right handed pitcher to Greg Maddux or the short QB to Drew Brees or Russel Wilson.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:58 am to Tiger Ree
I hope we bring back the option to the short side of the field.
Classic.
Classic.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:00 am to Tiger Ree
I know y'all get paid to pump sunshine how this is the best football program in the country but this is becoming ridiculous.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:02 am to Tiger Ree
I guess we've reached the point in the offseason where the offense starts getting rave reviews from those inside the program. This is the year!!!
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:03 am to Mudminnow
I heard a few people say that our defense is running the same concepts as the 85 Bears.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:04 am to LSUgrad08112
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Our offensive situation is comparable to taking a group of guys who haven’t done ridiculously advanced math in 20 years, putting them in a room for 4 months, letting them try to figure it out themselves with limited instruction, and then sending them off to a math competition against some of the brightest, most highly trained minds on earth.
LSU has quite a bit of NFL experience on staff that it has not had in the past. The O-line coach has a super bowl ring. The passing game coordinator had been in the NFL for a LONG time. LSU has more analysts than it probably ever has.
I don't think your comparison could possibly be more incorrect in trying to describe what LSU is doing or going through. Especially since the biggest differences seem to be the WR's and QB. That is where Sullivan is supposed to excel.
Hell, some people including Cregg the O-line coach said that when LSU went to the Seattle Seahawks, that the Seahawks requested that they bring Sullivan with them so they could learn from him.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:09 am to Tiger Ree
I'll believe it when I see it in a game. The wool has been pulled over my eyes too many times concerning LSUs offense.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:10 am to Tiger Ree
I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:15 am to LSUgrad08112
I Concur. Really though, after all these years of impotent passing games I'm just looking for something to get excited about. After the coaching hires this year, apathy set in hard.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:18 am to Tiger Ree
quote:Yes!
where the quarterback reads just one person – maybe an inside linebacker or deep safety – before the firing the ball.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:21 am to chitiger91
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Y’all being played like a fiddle by the good ole baws . Yeah Steve E is an offensive guru of the likes of Sean Mcvay yet he’s taken the last 30 years to hide it while waiting for 0 to take over LSU. Get a damn grip y’all.
Where did the article say this? The staff visited some of these teams to see how they run their offense. No one claimed they will be the same or even remotely as successful. Are they using the concepts?
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“It’s more of a pass type thing. They’re passing the ball,” Anthony said. “Coming out more of a four-receiver type thing. Everything is not run and pounding. We’re opening up more of the pass, getting more people involved.”
The shroud covering LSU’s new offense is beginning to, ever so slightly, lift two weeks into spring practice. Players and coach Ed Orgeron are shedding light on a system that is emphasizing a passing game with the use of multiple receivers and installing a “West Coast style run game,” one player said.
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“We’re throwing the ball a lot,” defensive end Rashard Lawrence said.
“Our offense passed the ball a lot,” Fehoko added. “To see the passing game and different route concepts they’re doing right now … we’ll watch it on film, the D-line, and talk about it: ‘These are Madden plays!’”
One of the more telling quotes is from sophomore running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire: “Right now, the runs plays we have are designed for a fast-moving offense, designed to spread the field.”
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“It’s a more patient run game,” Fehoko described. “We run a lot of wide stretches, wide zone, pro-style and West Coast style run game, similar to the NFL. You see a lot of these patient running backs and it really allows the holes to develop.”
We don't know if it will be successful, but if you think they aren't implementing a new offense then apparently the staff, media and players are pulling off an amazing propaganda campaign.
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