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re: Manieri’s ideal baseball players. Thought?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:04 am to Jack Daniel
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:04 am to Jack Daniel
quote:
Pitcher:
- 6’2”
- 88-91 mph fastball
- mediocre curve
- no third pitch
How many college pitchers do you think have three pitches they can consistently throw for strikes?
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:04 am to H-Town Tiger
I expect LSU baseball to have a top 5 recruiting class every single year. Period.
What scares me is the facilities arms race. The emergence of streaming TV. And the dwindling fan support.
What scares me is the facilities arms race. The emergence of streaming TV. And the dwindling fan support.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:06 am to lsufball19
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:06 am to ell_13
quote:why does that scare you
What scares me is the facilities arms race. The emergence of streaming TV
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:08 am to ell_13
For PM
Pitcher Nola
Player Bregman
Case closed
Pitcher Nola
Player Bregman
Case closed
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:09 am to J Murdah
Less people in seats = less money
Less money = less facilities
Less facilities = less blue chip recruits
Less blue chip recruits = no bueño for LSU baseball and its fans
Less money = less facilities
Less facilities = less blue chip recruits
Less blue chip recruits = no bueño for LSU baseball and its fans
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:13 am to ell_13
quote:
I expect LSU baseball to have a top 5 recruiting class every single year. Period
Or what? You’ll fire the coach if just 1 class doesn’t met your standards? LSU has had plenty of talent so I’d imagine we’ve had too 5 classes that doesn’t mean attrition, injuries or just bad luck will never happen.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:15 am to Mr. Hangover
quote:
Less people in seats = less money
LSU laps the field in attendance so if it’s an arms race attendance will have to really tank
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:16 am to J Murdah
quote:
however many INF he's recruited is the # of 1B he's recruited
half of our starting lineup last year played SS in high school, been that way for awhile. Very rarely have we even had a true 1st baseman. They've typically been utility players or converted catchers. I'm actually having a hard time remembering if we've ever had a true first baseman since Mainieri has been coach.
2008: Mat Clark - really didn't have a position
2009: Sean Ochinko - catcher
2010: Blake Dean - recruited as a pitcher and outfielder
2011: Grant Dozar - utility player
2012: Tyler Moore/Mason Katz - Moore was a catcher and Katz played everywhere
2013: Mason Katz
2014: Tyler Moore/Connor Hale - Hale played both 2nd and 1st
2015: Chris Chinea - catcher
2016: Greg Deichman - SS in high school
2017: Jake Slaughter (played SS in high school) Nick Coomes (catcher)
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:17 am to Jack Daniel
quote:
- can play all positions mediocre but is built for 2B.
I think this is a lot of bet hedging with the roster size restrictions.
Feel free to judge it as good or bad, but he doesn't seem to want some monster guy that can only play first base.
I do feel as though things have changed for the better after the initial overreaction to the new bats and TD Ameritrade.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:18 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
Or what? You’ll fire the coach if just 1 class doesn’t met your standards? LSU has had plenty of talent so I’d imagine we’ve had too 5 classes that doesn’t mean attrition, injuries or just bad luck will never happen.
I think you're taking his post out of context
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:21 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
Feel free to judge it as good or bad, but he doesn't seem to want some monster guy that can only play first base.
he recruits a lot shortstops and catchers. Shortstops are typically the best athletes in the infield and can generally play at least 3 of the infield positions. He recruits a lot of catchers and will put the best defensive catcher at catcher and if the backup can hit, he puts him at first base. First base is the easiest position in the infield to play. There's really not much of a need to load up on first basemen in recruiting.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:22 am to lsufball19
quote:
Very rarely have we even had a true 1st baseman.
That's usually because the only guys good enough to be recruited that play 1B in high school are either L/L or are high end draft guys, or both.
Just about every guy we recruit plays CF or SS, and usually they also pitch.
ETA: I failed to mention catchers. I could go on for a while on the way we recruit catchers, short answer though is that I think we do a good job with it.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:29 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
short answer though is that I think we do a good job with it.
oh we do a fantastic job recruiting catchers. Micah Gibbs, Ty Ross, and Michael Papierski were all thought of as among the best defensively at their position in college baseball and they all played for 3 years. That position has been about as consistent as any we've had and has been a great benefit to our pitchers.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:37 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
Not really. We've had some big time 1B power prospects committed. Those guys also happen to be at a premium at every level of professional baseball as well, so the ones we had committed never made it to campus. It's not rocket science.
While you make a good point about draft picks - Joey Gallo comes to mind - there are plenty of 6'2+ first basemen who make it to campus all over the country. Look around the SEC last year at Rooker (MSU), White (UK), Spanberger (ARK), etc. Most of the SEC and the teams in Omaha have taller 1B, many of them L/L. I'm just puzzled as to why, with all of the resources behind LSU Baseball, we haven't gotten a few of them over the past 10+ years.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:46 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Look around the SEC last year at Rooker (MSU), White (UK), Spanberger (ARK), etc.
I don't remember Rooker's career arc as much, but I followed Spanberger's whole career.
People would be flipping their shite in the same way they are about Slaughter currently if Spanberger were at LSU and got as much PT his freshman and soph year as he did at Arkansas. Also, he hit most of his career HRs in the last 2 months of his junior year.
Which is fine, and I liked him as a player. But he's a prime example of that kind of player (ie, tall) in that they take some time to develop at the plate. When they do develop, watch the frick out, but there are definite growing pains.
ETA: For comparison sake
Spanberger FR: .252/.336/.336 0 HR 21 RBI
Slaughter FR: .257/.358/.351 3 HR 27 RBI
Rooker FR: .257/.325/.378 2 HR 12 RBI
Rooker and Slaughter were both older as Frosh too. I didn't realize how similar all those players freshman years were until just now, so without sarcasm, thank you for bringing up those names.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:55 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Look around the SEC last year at Rooker (MSU), White (UK), Spanberger (ARK), etc.
Rooker played OF until last year. Spanberger played catcher in high school. He played OF and 1B at Arkansas. Evan White was recruited primarily as a pitcher in high school. He was a Perfect Game AA as a pitcher.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:04 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:
Most of the SEC and the teams in Omaha have taller 1B, many of them L/L. I'm just puzzled as to why, with all of the resources behind LSU Baseball, we haven't gotten a few of them over the past 10+ years.
Because Mainieri doesn’t recruit those players. You can dislike the strategy but that’s just not his philosophy. He likes athleticism over power. Athleticism wins in Omaha now not power.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:05 pm to lsufball19
quote:
Rooker played OF until last year. Spanberger played catcher in high school. He played OF and 1B at Arkansas. Evan White was recruited primarily as a pitcher in high school. He was a Perfect Game AA as a pitcher.
Regardless of how they ended up there, the point is almost every SEC team has had a taller 1B than us for the past 10+ years. It's not necessarily a gripe; more of a quirk.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:06 pm to ell_13
quote:You’re right. Replace him with Matt Clark who hit 28 homeruns then suck a dick.
Not a PM recruit.
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