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Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:07 pm to RollTide4Ever
Strictly on number of wins we are 11th all time
Mich
TX
Neb
ND
Ohio St.
Okl
Bama
Tenn
USC
LSU
When you factor in championships, Conf and National we are a Top 10 all time program.
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Here is a good site for this question. Specificall look at where we rank the past 5, 10, and 15 years, #2, #2 and #3. This has been the best era of LSU Football.
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Mich
TX
Neb
ND
Ohio St.
Okl
Bama
Tenn
USC
LSU
When you factor in championships, Conf and National we are a Top 10 all time program.
LINK
Here is a good site for this question. Specificall look at where we rank the past 5, 10, and 15 years, #2, #2 and #3. This has been the best era of LSU Football.
LINK
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:11 pm to Curtiselwood
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Strictly on number of wins we are 11th all time
Mich
TX
Neb
ND
Ohio St.
Okl
Bama
Tenn
USC
LSU
Look above.....everything goes in cycles. Several of those teams mentioned aren't even in Top 25 anymore and have had several bad years.
BUT, LSU should have some staying power with our fertile state recruiting grounds.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:17 pm to irvchilichill1
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Am I missing another team....
Depending on your time frame, Florida would expect to be on that list.
No reason we can't stay in top 15 but staying an elite, top 5 program year-in, year-out is tough. One or two mediocre recruiting classes and you slide to 10-15. We had the 90's. Miami and FSU have fallen off since entering the ACC. Texas is down even with highly ranked recuriting classes. Bama had nothing between Stallings and Saban. Tennessee the last 10 years, the list goes on. The difference between 10-3 and 8-5 can be as little as one missed field goal here, one pick-6 there. Then the administration guts the coaching staff because the fans can't live with 8-5 and then you revert back to Auburn...
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:26 pm to The Eric
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Of course a bad hire after Miles could mean that we go back into mediocrity but I think using spectacular facilities, a great fan base, and fertile recruiting grounds will allow us to be strong for as long as TAF and LSU higher Ups want us to be
pretty much. The advantage LSU has is a very fertile home recruiting base. We are now getting to a point, where recruits are too young to remember LSU as anything but an elite power house. We will at some point have a dip, look at Florida, they won NC's in 06 and 08, #2 in 09 and 14-11 the next 2 years. But we should be at a point, where even if we have a bad hire, we should be able to recover quickly. There's no reason we should ever sink to the lows of 89-94.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:32 pm to West Bank Dan
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and then you revert back to Auburn...
lulz
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Well #1 we're more like top 12-15 pre-Saban and Top 10-12 now
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First of all, LSU has traditionally been a top 10-15 program, only now they're entering top 10 territory
You guys are underselling the history of LSU. The CFBDatawarehouse ranks LSU #9 all time, they had LSU #10 in 2000 and 9 in 1990. While their rankings are not perfect by any means, its a pretty good measure.
The 8 ahead of us are:
Alabama
Notre Dame
USC
OU
Michigan
Ohio State
Texas
Nebraska
The ones right behind us: Tenn, UGA, Florida, Miami, Auburn, Penn State, Ga Tech, Minnesota, Texas A&M. Fla State at 22.
Which 5-6 of those should be ahead of LSU? I can tell you guys are older fans, because you have that old, LSU as 2nd rate mentality
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This post was edited on 9/6/12 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 9/6/12 at 11:18 pm to GEAUXLSUFAN401
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He'll be around a long time unless he gets fired. If he wants he can create a legacy at LSU
I'm not sure how much longer Miles will hang around at LSU. I'm not saying he'll leave in the next few years but he's got a pretty strong rep as a family man. His kids are still pretty young for a guy approaching 60. I wouldn't be surprised to see Les coach 5-7 more years and then hang it up to spend time with his kids before they're all out of the house.
As for LSU's staying power, college football tends to be pretty cyclical. A lot of the history of the top programs in the country were built when it was much easier to dominate. These days, the FBS teams are better and the season is more of a grind so we don't see teams become a powerhouse dynasty for 20+ years like your Bama's, Michigan and Notre Dames.
Look at the top teams of the last decade... USC, Florida, LSU, Miami, Ohio State.
~USC suffered to a degree from sanctions
~Miami after being a dominant force at one point experienced a downturn and doesn't appear to be back on the way up.
~Michigan is recovering from a disaster of a coaching hire in Rich Rod
~Alabama was down for the better part of a decade and is now experiencing an uptick.
~Ohio State got hit with sanctions and suffered in 2011.
~Florida had been great and now they're struggling in the post Tebow/Urban era.
LSU has been lucky to be consistently performing with the exceptions of a 5 loss and 4 loss seasons sammiched between a bunch of 2 loss season and an undefeated regular season. LSU certainly has the resources and the capability to stay relevant long term. But so do all of the other big schools that have gone into a downswing. There's just so many factors these days that can knock a program off it's pedestal.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 11:42 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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There's just so many factors these days that can knock a program off it's pedestal.
Looking at the schools you listed, most have had scandals, except Florida and Michigan. USC didn't really drop off, 09 and 10 for them was like 08 and 09 for LSU, they are legit contenders this year and killing it in recruiting.
If LSU can avoid that and not make 2 disaster hires in a row, we should be able to survive one.
Posted on 9/6/12 at 11:49 pm to GEAUXLSUFAN401
I just don't see Miles as an NFL guy. He really seems to enjoy being a father figure and mentor to college athletes. The NFL is more business and attitudes. He probably wouldn't get that same satisfaction. I don't think the NFL is always the holy grail for every coach.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 12:05 am to irvchilichill1
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Miami, Florida State
Something to remember about those 2 programs is that they weren't relevant on the College scene until the 80's Florida St football has not been around that long. Bobby Bowden starting building that program in the late 70's and they started making noise year in and year out in the 80's. Miami almost shut down it's football program and they burst onto the national scene when they beat OU in the Orange Bowl at the turn of the 80's and then it was a gravy train.
But, when you weigh history in college football and not look at it through a 20 year lens then those 2 programs aren't even in the discussion. I will say that what those programs did in that 20-25 year span may never be repeated again. My gosh what a boat load of athletes and incredible teams those cats produced during that time. I remember growing up and each year we couldn't wait till that time in the fall when Florida St would play Miami and Florida St would play Florida. The amount of athletes on the field in those contests was just incredible to watch.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 6:37 am to RollTide4Ever
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Neither was around before 1950s. You sound like an ou fan.
AP started in 1938 Coaches was around for about 10 years before. The AP gained national acceptance in 1950 and the coaches gained national acceptance in 54. Most schools only claim titles after this period. Exceptions being Mich, Notre Dame and Bama as well as 4 or 5 others. 1941 your team was ranked 20 in the AP yet still claim a title
Posted on 9/7/12 at 6:42 am to The Eric
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Bama's, notre dames, OUs, Michigans
Honestly, does Notre Dame have LSU's staying power?
Posted on 9/7/12 at 8:21 am to West Bank Dan
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Depending on your time frame, Florida would expect to be on that list.
The time frame is historical. Florida hasn't even been good for 20 years. At times they were terrible.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 8:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Well #1 we're more like top 12-15 pre-Saban and Top 10-12 now. We have a lot of work to do to catch those top 9 or so but we can do it in the next 20-30 years if we stay on top of our game. The SEC remaining the #1 conference is important in this as well.
How in the hell are we only 10-12 now? We've won two national championships in the last 10 years and have lost in a third appearance....What 10 teams are ahead of us?
Posted on 9/7/12 at 8:41 am to brownjuco
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How in the hell are we only 10-12 now?
Because it's a historical discussion.
It's already been noted that LSU is top 5 in the last decade. I'm not saying 5th but somewhere between 1-5. I'd put LSU in the top 3 personally in the last decade.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 9:00 am to brownjuco
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How in the hell are we only 10-12 now? We've won two national championships in the last 10 years and have lost in a third appearance....What 10 teams are ahead of us?
People who say we are just 10-12 are still talking about history.
In the last 10 years we are a top 3 program.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 9:13 am to The Eric
Posted on 9/7/12 at 2:40 pm to OXID11
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AP started in 1938 Coaches was around for about 10 years before.
Jesus frick, people, how hard is it to get it right?
The AP started in 1934, was not published in 1935, and then has been published continuously since 1936.
It's fricking Wiki, people...
"The Coaches' Poll began selecting the top 20 teams on a weekly basis during the 1950-1951 college football and basketball seasons."
Again, it's Wiki
And look, there they all are:
(look on the right)
Posted on 9/7/12 at 3:57 pm to VABuckeye
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The time frame is historical. Florida hasn't even been good for 20 years. At times they were terrible.
Dude, I hope you are joking. They had a coach named Urban Meyer who led them to championships in 06 and 08. Have you heard of him?
Florida has 3 NC's in the last 20 years and LSU has 2. Ohio State 1. Now, in terms of prestige and "brand" I would rank LSU ahead of Florida all-time.
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