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re: LSU v. Opponents Talent
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:52 pm to Midtiger farm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:52 pm to Midtiger farm
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Les hadn’t had a 6-2 SEC record since 2012
Correct.
He also never lost an OOC game in eleven full seasons. He was fired three weeks after losing his first.
When you lose to a Sun Belt team, that takes some of the sheen off of your conference record.
Especially when that conference record includes wins over 5 teams with interim/fired coaches.
That is part of analyzing the actual performance and trying to figure out what it means for the future of the program, which is what most of us are doing on a fan message board. Trying to discuss the team and the direction of the program.
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he got blown out by state in 2014 and also got blown out by Ark and OM also in his last 3 seasons
He lost by 17 to Arkansas in 14 and 15 and 21 to an OM team that finished #9 in 15.
How would you describe what MSU did to us last year?
And also, wasn’t O hired to improve our situation? Why are we comparing him to the worst performance by the guy that was fired?
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:52 pm to Dave England
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Orgeron suffered the worst loss in program history to Mississippi State and was the head coach of the first LSU team to ever lose to a sun belt team.
OK... That sucked... But it was LAST YEAR PUNK....
Look I am saying 6-6 this year but I am not gonna keep on bringing up what you have done over 500 times...
NOW STFU and ROOT for your team....
UNLESS of course YOU WANT LSU to LOSE.......................
You sound like you WANT O to fail which means YOU want LSU to fail........
GFY..................
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:54 pm to dukke v
Using caps lock doesn’t make you more right than the rest of us.
It merely makes you look like an unhinged jackalope.
It merely makes you look like an unhinged jackalope.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:55 pm to Dave England
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It merely makes you look like an unhinged jackalope.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:56 pm to Imber
Where did you get the ranking numbers from? There is more than one group that does this and they seldom completely agree. And as we all know they all make mistakes. The Honey Badger was a 3. Some players ranked as a 5 never play that way. Then there are injuries, transfers to and from, strong in some positions but not in others, etc. Some players grow in size and talent after high school and some never progress. So your attempt to make a very complicated thing to measure into a simple one and use that to establish a benchmark so you can blame the coaches is a fail!
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:01 pm to Tom Bronco
No, because everything you just stated in your post is not unique to LSU.
You think LSU is the only school that whiffs on 5*? That they are the only school who find 2* and 3* who exceed an evaluation a recruitnik gave them? They are the only school who have injuries, transfers, suspensions, attrition?
I honestly think some of y’all do. And that’s fine if you do, just as long as you acknowledge that’s a bassackwards way of looking at things.
You think LSU is the only school that whiffs on 5*? That they are the only school who find 2* and 3* who exceed an evaluation a recruitnik gave them? They are the only school who have injuries, transfers, suspensions, attrition?
I honestly think some of y’all do. And that’s fine if you do, just as long as you acknowledge that’s a bassackwards way of looking at things.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:01 pm to Tom Bronco
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Where did you get the ranking numbers from? There is more than one group that does this and they seldom completely agree. And as we all know they all make mistakes. The Honey Badger was a 3. Some players ranked as a 5 never play that way. Then there are injuries, transfers to and from, strong in some positions but not in others, etc. Some players grow in size and talent after high school and some never progress. So your attempt to make a very complicated thing to measure into a simple one and use that to establish a benchmark so you can blame the coaches is a fail!
I used the 247 Composite Rankings, which are an average of all the major recruiting services. If you can think of a more accurate measure then by all means let me know.
I made a positive post about how much talent we have on the roster and what our expectations should be relative to that. I haven't mentioned a single coach in this thread other than Ensminger, after another poster brought him up. Your theory that I'm attempting to set the coaches up for failure sounds like paranoia. Are you afraid of expectations? Do you think our players aren't talented enough to win 10 games?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:05 pm to Stephen1979
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So just to be clear, the only acceptable stance is rah rah in the summer but don't actually impose any championship standards on the program right? Be ok with 6 wins bc the schedule is challenging? Don't have high expectations and expect accountability or substance to the summer hype?
Beautifully spoken.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:06 pm to Imber
quote:it blows my mind. The O pumpers want everyone to love what’s happening with the program and when the “negas” say the team has the talent to win 10 games and if they don’t it would be disappointing they absolutely lose their shite. Saying it’s unrealistic and the schedule is too hard or we have an agenda to bash O for predicting 10 wins. It’s insane
Are you afraid of expectations? Do you think our players aren't talented enough to win 10 games?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:08 pm to Imber
Yes, I don't think we have enough talent to win 10 games. 8 is more realistic. But this is all just guessing before the season. Strange things happen once they tee it up and play. Luck, play calls, injuries,referees, weather, emotions will all play a part. So do I think it is impossible that we win 10? No, but it is improbable. Is it unlikely we only win 6. I sure hope so but that is unfortunately also another possibility.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:10 pm to justice
Don't forget the other one ... we are covering our asses just in case he is successful so we can say "I told you so."
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:12 pm to Tom Bronco
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Yes, I don't think we have enough talent to win 10 games. 8 is more realistic.
That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Where do you think we are deficient in talent? Certain positions?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:13 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:ahhh yes
we are covering our asses just in case he is successful so we can say "I told you so."
god forbid fans expect a good year with a talented roster Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:15 pm to Tom Bronco
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But this is all just guessing before the season.
I would also point out that it is July, which is the worst freaking month of the year for college sports fans. There's nothing going on. WTF else are we supposed to talk about? I'm bored.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:18 pm to Tom Bronco
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Yes, I don't think we have enough talent to win 10 games. 8 is more realistic. But this is all just guessing before the season.
Which is why objective data like this, while obviously not a guarantee of results, helps to show that what we “think” or “guess” is not always correct or even reasonable.
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247 Composite Recruiting Rankings for the last four years:
LSU: 5, 2, 7, 15 Avg: 7.25
Miami: 27, 22, 12, 8 Avg: 17.25
Auburn: 8, 9, 9, 12 Avg: 9.5
Ole Miss: 17, 5, 31, 31 Avg: 21
Florida: 21, 12, 11, 14 Avg: 14.5
Georgia: 6, 6, 3, 1 Avg: 4
Miss. State: 18, 28, 24, 27 Avg: 24.25
Alabama: 1, 1, 1, 6 Avg: 2.25
Arkansas: 22, 23, 27, 49 Avg: 30.25
Texas A&M: 11, 18, 13, 17 Avg: 14.75
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:20 pm to Imber
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would also point out that it is July, which is the worst freaking month of the year for college sports fans. There's nothing going on. WTF else are we supposed to talk about? I'm bored.
Lmfao I literally laughed out loud after reading this.
Were in agreement this is the worst time of year for LSU sports cause theres nothing to report unless it's a player gets suspended or a high school kid commits. Can't wait until the start of camp.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:45 pm to Imber
quote:T agree completely with this post.
Based on talent alone, can we agree on the following?
1. LSU should lose to Alabama and Georgia
2. Auburn is a toss up.
3. LSU should beat the rest of the teams on its schedule.
4. We should expect a 10-2 season.
5. Anything less than 9-3 is a failure.
6. Our schedule isn't as difficult as some people think.
For people talking about attrition- everyone has some, and that's also something we need to examine. If we consistently have more than the average program, then something is wrong.
I will say, based on talent level and game location, that Fla and A&M are dangerous foes. We should win those games, but they have top 20 talent and are playing at home, and both have additional motivation beyond the norm to beat us (A&M wants to break the streak, Fla wants to avoid being swept at home 2 straight years).
I expect a loss at Auburn, that would be a pleasant surprise to win.
I think we're close enough to UGA that playing at home can give us the edge.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:49 pm to Tom Bronco
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Yes, I don't think we have enough talent to win 10 games. 8 is more realistic. But this is all just guessing before the season. Strange things happen once they tee it up and play. Luck, play calls, injuries,referees, weather, emotions will all play a part. So do I think it is impossible that we win 10? No, but it is improbable. Is it unlikely we only win 6. I sure hope so but that is unfortunately also another possibility.
I feel like some people confuse the want, the think, the realistic, and the feel....and then the floor.
Want: LSU to win the Championship every single year, of course
Realistic: LSU can be a 10-12 avg win team that competes for the SECC yearly and NC every 2-3 years. And 3 years of coaching is enough to get us there...or prove you can't.
Think: Ed Orgeron is not great and his ceiling is probably 8-9 wins.
Feel: Ed has a small chance to win 10, but mostly likely doesn't get much beyond that. He can't outcoach anybody in the Top 25, therefore, no chance to consistently win big games.
Floor: 4-6 Wins. O could be coasting right now on LSU's talent and position, and something could fall apart. See OC situations, signed recruiting rankings, public miscues.
That's all pretty fair
The Realistic, to me, is where O should be. It's what Miles was fired for not achieving, and I argue from that goal to the Think vs. Floor, mostly because O has a cult of personality that probably lets him survive a 7 win season.Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:58 pm to TchPowDog
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shite post. So when Saban leaves, gumps should continue to expect 12-0 every year?
Can you people get any dumber?!?
If bama fires saban for going 12-0 because they think they can hire someone better, than yes, they should expect better from the next guy. Just like LSU expects better from O.
You do see the difference or are you the stupid one?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:04 pm to Scoob
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Based on talent alone, can we agree on the following?
1. LSU should lose to Alabama and Georgia
2. Auburn is a toss up.
3. LSU should beat the rest of the teams on its schedule.
4. We should expect a 10-2 season.
5. Anything less than 9-3 is a failure.
6. Our schedule isn't as difficult as some people think.
T agree completely with this post.
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