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Wooly Goat
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Interesting that someone has FINALLY put Light on the LSU swimming coach. I have read all the responses. I am very familiar with LSU swimming and what is going on in the State of Louisiana as it pertains to swimming in general. (clubs swim programs etc.) i have followed the sport with a keen eye for at least 10 years.

BOTTOM LINE! LSU NEEDS TO FIRE DAVE GEYER!!!!

How Dave Geyer has been able to remain as Head Coach is mind boggling. He is a Horrible coach. He cant recruit!
Have you seen where the woman just placed in the SEC?!
The worst womens swim scoring in 10 YEARS!! keep the diving coach, BUT FIRE GEYER!
Just watch how bad the men perform this week. Best of luck to Curry but, he cant save Geyer!

Yes, facilities are bad, but if you get a good leaded then the rest will follow.

Mr. Woodward if you are listening you have a decision to make and it is an easy one. No doubt the easieest and best descion of your LSU career . FIRE GEYER immediately after the Mens SEC. Actually you should fire Dave Geyer NOW!!


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Wooly Goat
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Fire Geyer or Keep Geyer?
Take a position.


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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Press release: LSU puts on a show in the pool at SEC Championships.

The LSU women's swimming team closed out the 2021 SEC Championships with bang on Saturday night with two swimmers swimming career best times. The LSU diving team closed out their portion of the Championship with Men's Platform. The Tigers will be back in action next week as the men's swim team heads to Columbia, Missouri for the Men's SEC Championships.

To start the night in the pool, Summer Stanfield swam the third fastest 200-Yard Backstroke in LSU history, 1:55.05, to finish in 12th place in the 'B' Final. In the 'C' Final of the 100-Yard Freestyle, Katarina Milutinovich finished in 20th place with a time of 48.91.

In the final individual event, the 200-Yard Butterfly, Hannah Bellina won the 'C' Final with a time of 1:57.18. After swimming the tenth fastest time in school history in the prelims, she moved up to No. 3 all-time with her final swim.

To close out the night, the 400-Yard Freestyle Relay team of Milutinovich, Olivia Taylor, Bellina, and Stanfield finished in seventh place with a time of 3:17.82. The team's seventh place finish marks the highest finish for a LSU women's relay team since 2017. [And that's all].

The SEC Diving Championships concluded on Saturday with the Men's Platform dive. After a first place finish on one-meter and a second place finish on three-meter, Juan Celaya-Hernandez finished in fourth place on platform with a score of 345.50.

For the championship, Celaya-Hernandez was voted Male Diver of the Meet for the third time in his storied career.


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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I enjoy this once a year thread and guessing who people are from their stories/user names.


Stuckinthe90s
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I would say keep Geyer personally. There are not many coaches that have been able to develop a swimmer like Brooks Curry, that potentially could be a catalyst for upcoming future classes. There are a lot of problems that have to be fixed like the facilities that are out of Geyer's control that have to be fixed. Some people on here are a little short sighted to see how the answer the past 20 years has been fire the coach to no improvement (I will add that the best LSU placement since 2000 at Men's SECs has been under Geyer and I believe the only SEC individual champions have been in under Geyer).

If you want to compare Geyer to someone, compare him to the Texas A&M coach Jay Holmes, the knock against Jay since he took over as coach was that he was a terrible recruiter, not personable, and didnt get along well with clubs swim coaches and was garbage at signing good instate recruiter, all of Texas' top tier talent went to UT, SMU, or out of state. Under Jay in the Big 12, Jay never beat UT and even lost to Mizzou one year to get last place at conference in the 3 swim team BIG 12. The first 5 year's of A&M in the SEC yielded results of 7,7,8,8,7. In the last three years, A&M has announced and completed two major new projects to their swimming facility, a new pool to add to their already world class pool and an $8 million dollar facility that includes weight room/dryland space, hydro therapy, nutrition center, team lounge space, and a world class locker room that would be the swimming equivalent of the LSU football locker room. Jay has been able to recruit off of this the last 5 years and he has built a powerhouse program that could win SECs this year and definitely will within the next 5 years are recruits can start seeing the finished products on their trips.

Any school in the nation right now would interview Jay if they had an opening. He really is very equivalent to the reasons y'all have pointed out against the LSU coach, only he was doing the same with not terrible facilities, once the facilities became great, he started beating everyone.

Also Wooly Goat, you only have 4 posts, created your account on Friday, and have a burning passion for firing the swim coach, alter much?



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BornAndRaised_LA
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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There are no elite Programs in Louisiana at the high school level right now. There were a when COSST and Crawfish were at their peak, but they aren’t the programs they have been in the past.


My daughter swam for COSST in middle school, then we moved to Missouri. She was a good, but not great, swimmer that was interested in getting better, so we joined the best club up there (arguably...there were two very good programs). It was light years ahead of COSST and her coach had made the Oly Trials so were were impressed. They got her to a JO cut and we thought we knew what swim was.

Then we moved to DC and joined Nations Capitol Swim Club (NCAP) for her freshman year of high school. Holy crap. The increase in competition nearly broke her confidence. Every meet there were heats and heats of kids that would have dominated LA and MO. There might be 20+ heats of each event. Great swimmers were a dime a dozen and pumped kids into NCAA swim (and the Olympics) every year.

My point is, LSU won’t compete in the SEC with LA kids. Baltimore/DC, Texas, Florida, California, etc. If you want to win the SEC, you have to get kids from where the parents are pouring tons of resources into these ridiculous swim factories.
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My point is, LSU won’t compete in the SEC with LA kids. Baltimore/DC, Texas, Florida, California, etc


False in the 90’s roster had a large amount of LA swimmers and we were 4th-5th in SEC usually, this was when auburn and Florida had Olympic teams, Georgia was good and we were close to Tennessee. I don’t know what changed with LA swimming, I imagine it is the retirement of the OG coaches and nobody else knew who knows how to coach


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DaBeerz
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Hey Cyprus! That’s my guess
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Press release: LSU puts on a show in the pool at SEC Championships.

The LSU women's swimming team closed out the 2021 SEC Championships with bang on Saturday night with two swimmers swimming career best times. The LSU diving team closed out their portion of the Championship with Men's Platform. The Tigers will be back in action next week as the men's swim team heads to Columbia, Missouri for the Men's SEC Championships.

To start the night in the pool, Summer Stanfield swam the third fastest 200-Yard Backstroke in LSU history, 1:55.05, to finish in 12th place in the 'B' Final. In the 'C' Final of the 100-Yard Freestyle, Katarina Milutinovich finished in 20th place with a time of 48.91.

In the final individual event, the 200-Yard Butterfly, Hannah Bellina won the 'C' Final with a time of 1:57.18. After swimming the tenth fastest time in school history in the prelims, she moved up to No. 3 all-time with her final swim.

To close out the night, the 400-Yard Freestyle Relay team of Milutinovich, Olivia Taylor, Bellina, and Stanfield finished in seventh place with a time of 3:17.82. The team's seventh place finish marks the highest finish for a LSU women's relay team since 2017. [And that's all].

The SEC Diving Championships concluded on Saturday with the Men's Platform dive. After a first place finish on one-meter and a second place finish on three-meter, Juan Celaya-Hernandez finished in fourth place on platform with a score of 345.50.

For the championship, Celaya-Hernandez was voted Male Diver of the Meet for the third time in his storied career.
I love how these press releases don’t tell you what they don’t want you to know


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chalmetteowl
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you have to get kids from where the parents are pouring tons of resources into these ridiculous swim factories.
we’re a poor state. We don’t have parents like that



themul56
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Also, when they decide to start recruiting again they need to look at the studs from abroad. I remember LSU getting Craig Hamilton from Scotland and the dude set tons of records that still stand and was top 20 or so in the world ranking. Can't build a program with local only talent. In fact, they should bring that dude back as a coach or something and let him help recruit. Always a bonus to have a former stud talking to recruits. See Kevin Faulk.


BornAndRaised_LA
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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we’re a poor state. We don’t have parents like that


Then there will be sports you’ll have to recruit from out-of-state. The good news is, the big two (football, basketball) aren’t quite as pay-for-play as the Olympic sports are. Poor states still do great at developing athletes in those.

Developing a top-level swim/crew/fencing/tennis/etc kid is really expensive. Just to keep my kid competitive in DC-area swimming in high school was like $800/month in practice time (6x/week practice). We had no illusions she’d swim Div-1 (where she wanted to go to school), but she kept in great shape and was a point-scoring part of the team, so it was worth it to us.

To keep up with the other kids she’d have needed better genetics and to have been much more driven (the top kids were swimming before and after school, all year).

My point is, SEC-caliber swimmers rarely just happen. They are kids that build almost everything in their schedule around pool time with trainers that are critiquing and refining minute details of their strokes while putting them through 1,000s of yards in the pool daily.
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tigerdude12
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Regarding facilities, we missed it when the built the new REC center . Perfect opportunity to incorporate a swim facility into a modern REC facility, like the Georgia or Texas am facilities. Allows the general student body to know their is a swim program at school. Been to Texas am . Just a great place with a lot of activity . I wonder if there is room at the new REC to incorporate a top notch swim pool? A new swim pool facility would allow LSU to host the SEC meet which, if you haven’t been to one, is Something to see.


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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
You are spot on with figuring out a way to incoporate a new pool with locker rooms, training, nutrician center, and great seating at the rec center. UGA is good in that besides the student, other sporting events take place there and there are views into the competition pool. GA Tech is similar but 100% dedicated to swimming. Their seating is the best by far.

Adding on: I haven't been to the rec center in person but just watched the virtual tour. It's a no brainer to add the team competition pools with great seating to this facility. That place is ridiculous.
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PurpleExile
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
In case Scott Woodward reads this . . .

Noticed that A&M has an LSU guy, Steve Bultman, who has been highly successful as its women's swim coach.
Bultman is a native of New Orleans and swam for LSU years ago. He's been in Aggieland for more than 20 years.
I don't think that makes him a spring chicken by any means, but Woodward must know him and he could come aboard to help restructure the program, as well as advise on the construction of a new swim facility.



Stuckinthe90s
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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Steve Bultman


Honestly that is a great point. I am not sure that at this point he would be interested in taking on a head coaching position. I have heard he may not have too much longer there, I believe he is 70 or older. If he was to retire, Woodward should definitely reach out and ask about coming on board as a consultant or director of operations.


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