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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I know these people. Will be interesting to see where Maddy goes!


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Murtown
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Looks like people are starting to put focus in an area where LSU must make changes.

First, we must establish facts. Go see Coach Geyer's record.
We will find consistency. Dave Geyer has been coaching at LSU as assistant HC since 2006-2010, then hired as Head Coach of LSU Swimming and Diving in 2011. That is a long time. LSU Mens & Women Swimming & Diving places in SEC either in LAST Place or very near last place EVERY YEAR for 10 years!! That is a fact you can go look up. He is NOT the diving coach. Take diving out of the equation and both Men and Women Swimming come in at an overall LAST Place for 10 straight years!! Talk about being consistent, and a fact that you can look up. Compare his program to ALL other SEC schools. Since when was Last place the standard in LSU Sports.
The Very Highest % of swimmers "academically" across college campus' in the country have high APR scores at their schools. Usually a coach can hang his hat on how well his athletes perform in school. I just checked on LSU's swimmers and Notice the "dip" there. Coach Geyer is near Last in the SEC in that department as well.
What I cant understand is how these facts have not stood out to Athletic Director Scott Woodward?? Louisiana needs your attention on the Swimming and Diving situation. If LSU gets a good leader we will see change. We will see a winning attitude and that is when people will want to give. Leaders find a way to raise money and are get the support they need. Start with the last 15 years of kids you just coached. We will see better facilities as cringe when I here that excuse about facilities being the problem. Again, go see DD Breaux where she started and see the Gymnastics program in last 10 years. TOP NOTCH in Country! See that Fact. If coming in Last consistently year in year out is acceptable to LSU and Mr. Woodward then keep Geyer. However, I think our Athletic Director is a smart man and the money line is that Dave Geyer's hours and days are numbered at LSU.

I see great opportunity for a NEW Head Coach at LSU. start from the bottom and build up. Facts are so compelling and clear. Dave Geyer needs to GO!


Screaming Viking
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I guess the best place to start in this discussion is that just about everyone is correct. The facilities hamstring the coach. And Dave is just not a head coach. While he is actually a good coach, he is not a recruiter, he is not a promoter of the program.

I swam at LSU under Ricky Meador and still coach a year round program in NO today. I will tell you that I have not had a kid attend LSU to swim since Dave has become the head coach. He just is not an outgoing salesman/recruiter. Which is partly the job of the head coach...unless you have a long list of Olympic swimmers on your resume.

Any/all money spent on renovating the Nat are wasted dollars. Save the dollars until you have enough to start over.

My $.02.


Longdriver98
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
You think the current pool is bad, I swam for LSU in the Huey P Long shite hole. Now that was bad.


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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
The Natatorium is a disgrace and should have been replaced at least 30 years ago!

If Woody was doing his job he would build a world class Nat by the baseball field. Think of the Olympic trials, etc., that could be hosted there! What publicity!!!!!!!!!!


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Screaming Viking
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Believe it is not, we practiced in the Huey P pool as a “treat” in the early 90’s. Pitiful, but a practice outside was actually something to look forward to.


Genestealer55
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I’m not trying to be a troll or anything...I’m really curious...what is the average salary of a college swimming coach?


Longdriver98
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
That's funny. I was taking my son today to Sat am practice here in Atlanta, and it's around 30 now. I told him a story when we would have am practice in Oct(Tiger Month) and it was around this temp sometimes and the bubble wasn't up yet. There was a fog layer that was probably 15 or so ft over the water. We'd sprint from the lockers to the pool for the warmup set. Ricky was a Grad assistant then.
This post was edited on 2/20 at 11:50 am


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WM_Tiger
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I know Eddie Reese who has been at Texas since 1979 makes north of 200K plus incentives. But he’s arguably the best college swim coach. Really nice guy and a hell of a coach.


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BigJR
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
OK, explain diving to me. LSU is attracting not only national elite talent, but international elite talents that wins SEC titles nearly every year for past 3 years, men and women. If the LSU facility hamstrings swimming, how is the Diving team flourishing? No HS, age group diving in Louisiana either.


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TheJuicey
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Just saying, but my parents literally brought my twin sisters to an unofficial visit and he didn’t want them because they were too small. Sisters ended up going to Kansas and would’ve been the fastest swimmers in their events by their junior season. Personally I almost walked on to the team, but had a friend that swam for a year before he quit. Bad facilities and bad team culture were his issues.


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Stuckinthe90s
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
I am not sure they are attracting national elite talent on the diving side. They have a good pipeline right now to Mexico. International talent usually signs sight unseen, a lot of time the LSU facilities are still better than whatever they are using so facilities are less important typically for international talents.

I think facilities are the biggest for out of state talent, Louisiana kids know what they are getting into before their trips, out of state kids see the facility for the first time on their trips. Imagine being a kid from Texas whose high school has a nicer facility and they swim their big invites in state of the art facilities like the A&M pool or the UT pool.

If a coach is going to turn the program around they are going to have to fix several things. 1. They are going to have to facilitate a strong club and high school coaches association like the big states have. This is needed to help give coaches of various skills across the state education on training to help bring up the baseline standard of training throughout the state and give coaches across the states good network to learn from each other a facilitate cooperative competition. This would also help align the club, high school, and college teams to be working towards a common goal of increasing the talent in Louisiana as a whole. I think this would also increase Louisiana staying in state because their coaches would have more confidence in LSU.

2.They have to fix is the administrations understanding of swimming, and what success in swimming is. When I was there, the admin really only cared about the dual meet record. They didn’t have a good understanding of why it was important to have LSU attend invitationals and exposure within the USA meets. Dual meets don’t do a good job of getting reps for their swimmers to win heats as there is only 1 heat typically per event. Invites do a much better job at that and that is what is needed to make finals at SECs, you essentially have to win your heat or get top 3 in a circle seeded heat. Also invites and USA meets give your team exposure to the high schoolers/clubs as well as their coaches for recruiting.

3. They need to develop a better knowledge transfer between the successful sports at LSU. There is a ton the swim team can learn from the track team in terms of getting a maximum effort out of an athlete from a 1 to 2 minute race and how to train for that. They need to learn a ton from the football and baseball team on how to recruit and develop and maintain a network of in state coaches association to help increase the sport.

4. They have to have to get a new facility, not put a bandaid on the barn they currently swim in.

Those four things aren’t going to solve every problem, but if a coach could get a handle on those four things, I think they would greatly improve the current standing of LSU swimming to a point that they can start building a competitive team. I do not believe a new coach alone can solve this. It’s going to take a person that can coach but also a person that can build an organization.



BigTimer23
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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COSST in Shreveport

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Stuckinthe90s

Checks out. Maybe do a little refresher on your outdated takes. “COSST” merged with the YMCA up there and no longer exists


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Walnut
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Most of the club teams from when I was going through don’t even exist anymore, and I’m not that old (31)

There are some teams that are trying, but I think it’s a mix of facilities on campus and a lack of long term club support to develop a lot of local talent that holds LSU back. If you live in NOLA and you want to be serious about swimming, you need to move, which isn’t the case in Texas, Georgia, Florida, California, or even smaller states like Oklahoma.

You also have to keep in mind that while LSU is bad by SEC standards, they’re not a bad team overall. Swimming is a different world from football, where the power 5 distinction doesn’t really matter as much, and a school like Drury can be considered as good as their neighbor Mizzou. LSU still puts together a team that is better than pretty much the entire field on lesser divisions, so the program is doing some of what it needs to be doing, because if it wasn’t, those top D2 and D3 schools would make LSU look bad.

Just my two cents though


Walnut
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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If the LSU facility hamstrings swimming, how is the Diving team flourishing?

Diving is usually considered the red headed step child that gets merged into swim programs, so divers tend to be less picky about where they go. If a program is willing to culturally support diving, unlike most teams which have coaches that aren’t qualified to coach it, they will go there even if the facilities are garbage.

Diving being tertiary to swimming makes it hard on divers


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HuckFinn
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
LSU has the worst swimming facility in the SEC and it’s been that way for years. Of the sports that don’t break even it would appear the LSU admin has chosen not to put anymore money than necessary into swimming. For the longest time the Natatorium swimming facility didn’t have air condition. Talk about get muggy in their on hot summer days. Not sure if they have added AC in recent years. It used to be really bad. Spectators were having to bring fans and such to try and keep from sweating. It’s no wonder they have problems competing.


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HuckFinn
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Bingo ! Until LSU makes a real commitment to swimming they will not compete for championships. Their facility isn’t worthy of an SEC swim team. You can bet that LSU admin knows this. They have chosen where they will spend money first and swimming is literally last on the list. Everyone associated with the program knows this.


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BigJR
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
Sounds like it’s going to require some change or just continue to accept last or next to last in the conference is good enough. Mystifying that is not accepted for the other sports on campus.


HuckFinn
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
If LSU’s facilities aren’t the problem, which I believe they play a large role in the problem, then what do you attribute LSU’s consistent inability to compete for SEC titles? In comparison to the top teams in the SEC, the Natatorium is badly outdated. Every other LSU sport has current and modern facilities. Swimming is not current. They keep putting band aides on the problem when they need to scrape and rebuild. The LSU admin is aware. They have chosen to spend money in other places.


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Stuckinthe90s
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re: LSU Swimming...Is this the worst performing sport for LSU currently?
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Sounds like it’s going to require some change or just continue to accept last or next to last in the conference is good enough. Mystifying that is not accepted for the other sports on campus.


Agreed 100%. However, I think in the past 20 years a lot of the resistance to change has been the administration themselves.


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