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re: LSU Softball record by each season with final result under Beth Torina
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:45 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:45 pm to Tigerbait357
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The thing is Beth isn’t a bad coach but she has also gotten complacent and the program is stale stuck in the exact same spot with the exact same problems we continue to reiterate year after year
I agree
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We will continue to make regions and often super regionals under Beth. But significant staff changes are needed to get back to OKC and even contend for a SEC title.
Honestly this is the move I would make before firing her. Woody needs to force her hand.
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The issue is Beth is pretty stubborn and won’t let go of her assistants that are like family to her. She has zero desire to make a change even though she knows she needs help and they aren’t getting the job done. The end product is stale and frustrating for fans to watch IMO
Spot on and this happens to a lot of coaches who have been at one place for a very long time.
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LSU has top 3 facilities and top classes after top classes but are underachieving relative to what we have and the resources the program has access to
Agree and this is what has people not happy right now. And Im fine with moving on I just think you need to have a better replacement lined up. I dont think you just fire the coach on lack of results and then just go "find" someone else because its not all bad.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:02 pm to ipodking
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I’ll do what I’ll do with any women’s sports news
Considering you’re one of the biggest shitposters on this board, not surprising.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:15 pm to lsutiger2
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Agree and this is what has people not happy right now. And Im fine with moving on I just think you need to have a better replacement lined up. I dont think you just fire the coach on lack of results and then just go "find" someone else because its not all bad.
For the most part I feel the program has gotten stale, incestuous, and is trending in the wrong direction. Sure we have a good program but far from a great one. Are we happy with top 3-5 HC’s salary and facilities with top 15-20 results? For a lot of reasons, this program needs a culture change.
All that being said … this is Scott Woodward’s decision. Yeah I know. Call me Captain Obvious. But let’s make an educated guess at Woodward’s softball mindset.
He can’t be pleased as punch. But with him jumping in with both feet and tackling football, baseball, and WBB highly successfully, I think he knows he can afford to wait and see a bit longer. I doubt he even talks to Beth about her staff. As others have said, the crowds are still coming and the perception is, the program is doing okay.
Scott knows Oklahoma and Texas are coming on board next season. I think his mindset is to give Beth a couple more years to see what effect adding two of the top softball powerhouses in the country to the SEC does to the program and how Beth responds. If the downward trend accelerates, Beth is gone.
I’m not saying I agree, but I think that’s Scott’s mindset. There’s absolutely no pressure on him to make an immediate move. That may not make those of you (maybe us) happy that want something done immediately, but I’d bet that I’ve accurately described Scott’s mindset toward Torina and softball.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:18 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
She’s less miles without having the luxury of fielding Saban’s teams for the first 2 years of her career.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:18 pm to Mad Dogg
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I don’t think y’all understand what “average” or “middle of the pack” mean. Winning conference record in all but one season (.500 with a WCWS trip that year). It might not be good enough for you, but it’s certainly above average/middle.
Sure that record doesn't necessarily mean anything but finishing middle of the pack in the SEC every year with that record does in fact make the record "Middle of the Pack".
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:18 pm to WilsonPickett
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I think she's doing good. Needs to get better offensively but you ain't firing a coach with that track record unless the Oklahoma coach calls and says she's moving to BR.
Here’s what I think the expectations should be given the money invested in facilities and coach’s salary—make OKC about half the time. That’s a high but reasonable standard. I won’t even put a number on minimum NC’s. Make OKC about half the time and NC’s will take care of themselves.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:20 pm to Flablete
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She doesnt play to win the SEC Tournament...she plays to win regionals and goto WCWS
She doesn't play to win crap, you can have the best RPI in the Country, but if you constantly choke when it counts, what's the point? And they choked big time today.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:24 pm to timlan2057
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For the most part I feel the program has gotten stale, incestuous, and is trending in the wrong direction. Sure we have a good program but far from a great one. Are we happy with top 3-5 HC’s salary and facilities with top 15-20 results? For a lot of reasons, this program needs a culture change.
All that being said … this is Scott Woodward’s decision. Yeah I know. Call me Captain Obvious. But let’s make an educated guess at Woodward’s softball mindset.
He can’t be pleased as punch. But with him jumping in with both feet and tackling football and WBB highly successfully, I think he knows he can afford to wait and see a bit longer. I doubt he even talks to Beth about her staff. As others have said, the crowds are still coming and the perception is, the program is doing okay.
Scott knows Oklahoma and Texas are coming on board next season. I think his mindset is to give Beth a couple more years to see what effect adding two of the top softball powerhouses in the country to the SEC does to the program and how Beth responds. If the downward trend accelerates, Beth is gone.
I’m not saying I agree, but I think that’s Scott’s mindset. There’s absolutely no pressure on him to make an immediate move. That may not make those of you (maybe us) happy that want something done immediately, but I’d bet that I’ve accurately described Scott’s mindset toward Torina and softball.
good post. and to move Torina and bring in one of the top softball coaches in the country, its going to take like always a shite ton of dough. As long the softball team is doing well financially, I think Woodward is fine with things being steady even though Torina is probably not meeting standards. Also throw in the fact that LSU is about to spend a ton of money on other sports, mainly basketball.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:59 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
We haven't been to Omaha in baseball since 2017 either
That was largely why PM stepped down
Will see if that streak ends this year
That was largely why PM stepped down
Will see if that streak ends this year
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:01 pm to lsutiger2
Great posts by you and timlan.
Just curious, what kind of money do the top softball coaches make?
Does anyone know how Scott and the athletic department view softball? I could see them being ok with how things are, mainly because the support is still there and they're not horrible, as others have said.
I guess my question would be, even if we could get a top coach to come here, is it even worth it financially or would Scott see it as being worth it? I don't believe softball would get a return on investment, like say hiring a Kim Mulkey did for women's basketball.
Just curious, what kind of money do the top softball coaches make?
Does anyone know how Scott and the athletic department view softball? I could see them being ok with how things are, mainly because the support is still there and they're not horrible, as others have said.
I guess my question would be, even if we could get a top coach to come here, is it even worth it financially or would Scott see it as being worth it? I don't believe softball would get a return on investment, like say hiring a Kim Mulkey did for women's basketball.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 4:51 pm to Flablete
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she plays to win regionals and goto WCWS
Well unless they get on an insane streak starting in their regional, this year will make 6 years since she last made it to the WCWS
Posted on 5/10/23 at 5:27 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
She has done a great job at LSU. I do agree that she needs to hire a new hitting coach an stop recruiting slap hitters.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:34 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
She's made the post season 100% of the time (all 10 years she has coached here at LSU excluding the Covid year). She has made the WCWS 4 times (40% WCWS rate).
I wish our men's baseball coach could be as consistent.
I wish our men's baseball coach could be as consistent.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:39 pm to TheLoupGarou
Our mens baseball coach has been at lsu for one season. Wtf?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:49 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Time for a change! You lose to OLE PISS!!
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:52 pm to TheLoupGarou
Odd statement considering the baseball coach is only in his second season and has been to the postseason. Meanwhile, the baseball team has been in the last 10 regionals.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 8:59 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Lacks the "Killer Instinct" that is needed to get to the next level. 
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:13 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Did your daddy TBob give you permission to go after Beth?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:18 pm to timlan2057
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Scott Woodward
Unless it’s falls in his lap he’s not much help with anything.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 9:59 pm to timlan2057
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Are we happy with top 3-5 HC’s salary and facilities with top 15-20 results?
I’ve seen this sentiment expressed in various forms here and I’m not saying it’s inaccurate. I just haven’t seen anyone provide the actual evidence to support that claim. Inherently, there’s no natural advantage, recruiting ground, historical success, etc. that should mark LSU as anything more than what they are right now. If Torina is being paid for better results and the program really has Top 5 facilities, then that’s another story. Can you point to any sources that would support that claim?
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