re: LSU returned 2 linemen with multiple starts and just 3 with any starts- All three got hurt

REE, the O-line got completely stoned by the gumps...again. Who has been recruiting coordinator? He should be fired.

Not this year but maybe with improved play next year.

Logan doesn’t look better than LaCouture or Gilmore. Neither has fehoko.
I like Alexander but I if his knees really are what they say I dont see how an NFL could take him. Investing in a part time player who can barely make it through a college season isn’t smart money.

Lawrence is the only sure fire draft pick at this point.

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My post had nothing to do with your cancer. I meant we will be here long after you leave when O fails. You brought your cancer into it and that’s pathetic. I don’t care about you or your cancer enough to post about it. Quit bringing it up to me because I sure didn’t mention

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The frick if you didn't. The only reason that you're on here now trying to change your little narrative is because people commented on how low it was. You meant what you said just the way it was taken.

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The frick if you didn't.

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Ben...

I 100% disagree with your take on the current direction of the program...obviously. But, and I'm speaking only for myself, I'd never wish ill will on anyone simply for having a difference of opinion than myself.

This was the first I heard of your illness, and I'm sorry to hear it.

That said, I'm not going to patronize you and treat you or your ideas differently because of that. I assume that despite your illness you're here because you enjoy it,and since you give it out as well as anyone here, I'd assume you would not want or expect anyone to treat you with kid gloves, correct?

I have no clue if justice meant what he wrote that way or not, and I'm not looking to speak for him FWIW. I just wanted you to know that from my perspective, I never would and that my disagreements with you, as strongly as I hold them, would never cause me to wish any personal hardship on you. We are discussing ideas as far as I'm concerned...nothing more.

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Ben... I 100% disagree with your take on the current direction of the program...obviously. But, and I'm speaking only for myself, I'd never wish ill will on anyone simply for having a difference of opinion than myself. This was the first I heard of your illness, and I'm sorry to hear it. That said, I'm not going to patronize you and treat you or your ideas differently because of that. I assume that despite your illness you're here because you enjoy it,and since you give it out as well as anyone here, I'd assume you would not want or expect anyone to treat you with kid gloves, correct? I have no clue if justice meant what he wrote that way or not, and I'm not looking to speak for him FWIW. I just wanted you to know that from my perspective, I never would and that my disagreements with you, as strongly as I hold them, would never cause me to wish any personal hardship on you. We are discussing ideas as far as I'm concerned...nothing more.

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Same here, prayers offered.
For what it is worth, I read (without looking at justice's reply) the post and immediately thought he was responding to Tiger Ree. That guy bubbled up out of nowhere when 0 was hired, and many expect him to flame right back out when the next head coach arrives.

I am often wrong, however, and perhaps I read it the situation wrongly.

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Most of these "outspoken critics" I guess it's what we're calling them now

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I've always called myself that, because I was not interested in being labeled by you or anyone else as "negative." I'm not negative, and it was only a few short years ago I was label a sunshine pumper by many here because I supported the guy before Orgeron.

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10 and 2 weren't being serious

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Some weren't, but some were. Again...the part many of you have missed, either willingly or not, is that one could be critical of the staff AND ALSO THINK we could go 10-2 and still be unhappy with that. Being critical of the state of the program and the moves we've made does not mean that we think the team needed to go 6-6 or 7-5.

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O Pumpers never want to make predictions or hold O to any kind of standard. All we heard was “well the schedule” Or “I cant Make a prediction before we play” Tiger Ree wouldn’t say any fricking numbers because he needed to be prepaired to defend any record.

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It was a ton of hemming and hawing about how "we" were trashing the program, the players, the coaches, etc...and then when asked would almost never get any actual predictive numbers.

So some decided they'd play along and said, "Well...I'm sold! Since the team is so good, Burrow will be so great, Ensminger is the best play caller in the nation, etc then anything short of 10 wins would be a disappointment for this club."

Then...outrage!

Criticism was bad...but so were any type of expectations! It seems that what people wanted were no vocal criticisms AND a willingness to accept whatever outcome we had this year...from 7-5 to anything above. EVERY outcome was going to be ok...

Like I've said...I said 9-3. I was wrong about the AU and UGA games, but I was not far off from the season total. The difference is that to me 9-3 IS a failure given what the expectations are and were for this program.

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Show of hands fellow Negatigers...what were your season predictions?

I had them at 9-3, with losses to AU, UGA and BAMA.

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I predicted 8-4. I figured the losses would to be Georgia and Bama for sure. The other two I thought would be between Miami, Auburn, Florida and A&M.

Of course to start the season, none of us thought Miami and Auburn would suck as bad as they do. At least I didn't.

not advocating to burn it all down, only one side of the ball.

they've done way better than expected that's for sure and orgeron deserves all the credit. but a few changes on offense would make this a more complete team.

i get that it's not only about alabama, though. but the standard that you are trying to meet is there and i'd like for them to reach for that.

SAmmy, you say that but then you read threads about our OL, and it’s like looking for a unicorn to get an LSU fan to admit that we’ve been bit by bad luck, rather than it being poorly coached unit. Even moreso that it’s actually been a great job to piece things together & for LSU to be where they at right now; which is evidently falling in line with your expectations