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re: LSU returned 2 linemen with multiple starts and just 3 with any starts- All three got hurt
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:40 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:40 am to Lester Earl
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I didn’t mention anything about les Miles.
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That was the rare occurrence we had 3 legit nfl lineman. In fact Lael & Trai were prob the best OL Miles ever recruited & Vadal Alexander was pretty damn good too. The year before we had zero nfl lineman & we scored 6 points in 2 games against Alabama & didn’t cross the 50 in the 2nd contest.
More lies.
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:41 am to SammyTiger
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think The line will be good next year but I’m not sure about it.
Our tackles haven’t been great and I’d say Charles regressed.
My hope is that Rosenthal is ready in a year.
Thomas is a monster and should take 1 Gurd spot.
I’m positive it will improve with full health & cohesion. With all the guys that got experience this year there will be plenty of options.
If Rosenthal is ready I could see him playing one of the tackle spots with Deculus moving inside or Charles moving to RT. Lewis & Hines are back. And you have Thomas(who I think could prob play RT).
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:42 am to Mo Jeaux
Damn so even when I give Miles credit it upsets you?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:42 am to Lester Earl
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We have to have at least 2-3 nfl caliber guys to truly compete with them.
I don't think anyone disagrees with that and it's possible we'll have that next year
But we're also only as good as our weakest link especially if one of them is a tackle
If we can field 2 good tackles next year (which will require improvement of existing players on the roster) then we should be much improved
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:44 am to Powerman
IT hasn’t helped that les recruited guards to play tackle. Check the tape. How many les Miles recruits are playing tackle or have played tackle in the nfl successfully?
Joe barskdale, who wasn’t even recruited as a OL? Collins, who is better suited to play guard? Anyone else?
Joe barskdale, who wasn’t even recruited as a OL? Collins, who is better suited to play guard? Anyone else?
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:47 am to Lester Earl
We seemed to have a lot of guys transfer out or not pan out as well though. I don't think he was trying to recruit guards to play tackle. I think we just kept missing on the tackles that we did recruit.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:50 am to Lester Earl
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We have to have at least 2-3 nfl caliber guys to truly compete with them.
That's not true at all. Here's Clemson's 2016 starting OL and where they are at now:
LT: Mitch Hyatt (Projected 3-5 rd)
LG: Taylor Hearn (UDFA)
C: Jay Guillermo (undrafted)
RG: Tyrone Crowder (UDFA)
RT: Jake Frumhorgen (transfer to Baylor)
Clemson beat Bama with 1 NFL caliber guy. Again, a good OC can scheme around a weak offensive line.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:51 am to UpToPar
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That's not true at all. Here's Clemson's 2016 starting OL and where they are at now:
LT: Mitch Hyatt (Projected 3-5 rd)
LG: Taylor Hearn (UDFA)
C: Jay Guillermo (undrafted)
RG: Tyrone Crowder (UDFA)
RT: Jake Frumhorgen (transfer to Baylor)
Clemson beat Bama with 1 NFL caliber guy. Again, a good OC can scheme around a weak offensive line.
They also had a transcendent dual threat QB
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:53 am to Tiger Ree
I am going to stop putting out facts in my post and simply say, there is absolutely no reason for LSU football to have been unable to score on Bama in our last 8 qts of football played in Tiger Stadium. Others can restate the players on our team, their experience, and their ability to the cows come home, but if we or talented enough to beat up on Georgia we should be talented enough with the right Coaching to score on Bama.
I’m sorry coach O, but coach E is not doing a “great” job as the LSU OC. It’s insulting to be told coaching an O up to be ranked 13th in the SEC and 105 in the nation equates to “great”.
I’m sorry coach O, but coach E is not doing a “great” job as the LSU OC. It’s insulting to be told coaching an O up to be ranked 13th in the SEC and 105 in the nation equates to “great”.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:56 am to Powerman
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They also had a transcendent dual threat QB
Sure, but they were 22 in the country in sacks allowed and 12th in total offense. Getting the ball out quickly can do wonders for a weak offensive line.
Now, if you are going to insist on running an antiquated offense that requires your OL to win one-on-one matchups while you run play action out of the single back set, then yes, you are going to need 2-3 NFL caliber guys to compete with Bama.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:56 am to Lester Earl
Here are Les’ start LT from 2005 till now
2005 Whitworth NFL Tackle
2006-2009 Ciron Black freshmen all American, 2x All SEC tackle. Knees ended career.
2010 - Joe Barksdale NFL Tackle
2011 Chris Faulk 2nd Team All SEC injury ended career
2012 Faulk/ Dworacyzk clearly not planned
2013/14 Collin NFL Tackle
2015 Hawkins NFL Tackle
2016 Malone - aweful player
So you have some real recency bias.
As to whether they play Tackle in the NFL, there are a lot of NFL guards who were great college tackles.
DJ Fuller and James Carpenter won awards as a LT and was a unanimous all American, he plays Guard in the NFL.
2005 Whitworth NFL Tackle
2006-2009 Ciron Black freshmen all American, 2x All SEC tackle. Knees ended career.
2010 - Joe Barksdale NFL Tackle
2011 Chris Faulk 2nd Team All SEC injury ended career
2012 Faulk/ Dworacyzk clearly not planned
2013/14 Collin NFL Tackle
2015 Hawkins NFL Tackle
2016 Malone - aweful player
So you have some real recency bias.
As to whether they play Tackle in the NFL, there are a lot of NFL guards who were great college tackles.
DJ Fuller and James Carpenter won awards as a LT and was a unanimous all American, he plays Guard in the NFL.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:03 am to SammyTiger
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2005 Whitworth NFL Tackle
Wouldn't count him. He was starting on the 2003 NC team and wasn't a Miles recruit
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:05 am to Powerman
I’m just pointing out its an assaying statement that is 100% recency bias and has no real backing in truth.
If you don’t count Whitworth 3/6 LTs went play tackle in the NFL 2/6 probably would have except for health issues.
This is a pure rant myth
If you don’t count Whitworth 3/6 LTs went play tackle in the NFL 2/6 probably would have except for health issues.
This is a pure rant myth
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:08 am to SammyTiger
Like I said, 2 guys in the nfl. Whitworth wasn’t a les miles recruit.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:09 am to Tiger Ree
quote:Been using this for 2 years now.
Building an offensive line from scratch takes time
Find some new material.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
Sorry I still Count 3. Barksdale, Collins, Hawkins. That’s 3/6. I dont Care what Barksdale was recruited as he was moved to Tackle and played tackle. If Rosenthal succeeds at Lt I’m not gonna go around bitching about O playing DL at Tackle.
Are you saying Faulk and Black were not good college Tackles?
A career ending injury doesn’t mean you didn’t have NFL talent.
Ciron black was a Freshmen All American Tackle in 2006 2nd Team all SEC TACKLE 2007-2008 and first team all SEC TACKLE aim 2009.
Tell me he’s a guard.
Are you saying Faulk and Black were not good college Tackles?
A career ending injury doesn’t mean you didn’t have NFL talent.
Ciron black was a Freshmen All American Tackle in 2006 2nd Team all SEC TACKLE 2007-2008 and first team all SEC TACKLE aim 2009.
Tell me he’s a guard.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:14 am to SammyTiger
Hawkins has played in 1 game in 3 years
Faulk left school early if I recall & wasn’t drafted. He had his shot when he got healthy & wasn’t good enough
Black was a terrible athlete which is why he isn’t in the league. Go look at his combine numbers
Faulk left school early if I recall & wasn’t drafted. He had his shot when he got healthy & wasn’t good enough
Black was a terrible athlete which is why he isn’t in the league. Go look at his combine numbers
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:20 am to Lester Earl
1. Your basic premise if fricking stupid. You don’t have to be. Pro bowler to be a great college player, and people fail to make the BFl for lots of reasons besides talent (injuries)
2. You’re ignoring your own premise. So not not only do you have to be in the NFL but you have to START in the NFL to be good enough to play tackle in college?
3. Faulk never recovered from his injury, and you’re a fricking idiot.
4. Ciron Black was a fantastic college tackle and didn’t make in the NFL because his knees weren’t going to hold up.
5. nick Saban has 2 tackles in the NFL from Bama he seems to have done ok with GUARDS like DJ Fuller and James Carpenter.
2. You’re ignoring your own premise. So not not only do you have to be in the NFL but you have to START in the NFL to be good enough to play tackle in college?
3. Faulk never recovered from his injury, and you’re a fricking idiot.
4. Ciron Black was a fantastic college tackle and didn’t make in the NFL because his knees weren’t going to hold up.
5. nick Saban has 2 tackles in the NFL from Bama he seems to have done ok with GUARDS like DJ Fuller and James Carpenter.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:29 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:22 am to Tiger Ree
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Building an offensive line from scratch takes time
Like biscuits. Need time to rise.
Biscuits take mere minutes, the propaganda propogators will say it takes years though
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:33 am to SammyTiger
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1. Your basic premise if fricking stupid. You don’t have to be. Pro bowler to be a great college player, and people fail to make the BFl for lots of reasons besides talent (injuries)
You don’t have to be a pro bowler, never said that. But this isn’t really about a specific player, it’s about a long period of time of recruitment & development. 12 years is a long time at a program like this to not develop offensive lineman. On a more micro scale this has proven to be problems against the elite of elite. Twist it how you will
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2. You’re ignoring your own premise. So not not only do you have to be in the NFL but you have to START in the NFL to be good enough to play tackle in college?
Before you go calling people stupid & cursing & embarrassing yourself, maybe you should read where I said successful nfl lineman. Now show me where Jerald Hawkins has proven to be a successful lineman?? I checked the tape, and nada.
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Ciron Black was a fantastic college tackle and didn’t make in the NFL because his knees weren’t going to hold up.
Putting merit in all sec is silly. You must first consider the opposition in the conference. The popularity of your school. The length a player has started.
For instance Trai Turner never made a 1st team all SEC. does that mean Black was better?? I vividly remember LSU fans laughing when he declared for the draft. Point is, casual fans do not know shite about OL play.
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