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re: LSU Now a 7 Seed on CBS

Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:53 am to
Posted by Eat Your Crow
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:53 am to
I was even surprised they gave us a 3 in 2019. I was expecting a 4.
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:55 am to
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and might be this season


Wat?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:56 am to
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Jerry Palm has LSU as a 7 seed facing UNC in the first round, with Michigan as a 1 and WVU as a 2 in that region. Palm has LSU as the 2nd highest 7 seed behind UCONN. I think LSU wins a game in Nashville they will lock up a 7 seed at worst and if they win tourney or go to Championship game would have a good shot at 6 seed.


I don't think he has them listed in seed order. For instance, Illinois (who he has listed first) is NOT the No. 1 overall seed ahead of Gonzaga, Baylor and Michigan.

If I had to guess I would say he likely has LSU as the "last" #7 seed. Looking at some of the better "bracketologist" on the Bracket Matrix site it appears many have LSU as one of the two "best" #8 seeds at the moment. LSU needs to (A) wins some games in the SECT (beating Arkansas would be HUGE) and (B) have teams like Clemson, Va Tech, Wisconsin, Florida, make quick exits in their conf. tournaments.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:57 am to
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dukke v
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I’m not sure they can string together 3-4 wins in a row.....
Guaranteed now.
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:58 am to
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This team needs to try and play consistent...... fact..... I’m not sure they can string together 3-4 wins in a row.....


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dukke v


See everybody in Indianapolis
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:59 am to
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Wat?

It’s well within the realm of possibilities LSU is an 8 seed
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:00 am to
Oh I read that as you thought the tourney might get cancelled like last season. I see what you are saying now.
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:05 am to
Posted by S
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:14 am to
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Gonna be sauced AF for an 8:30 pm Friday game




This
Posted by Manswers
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:17 am to
I just remember Trent Johnson's first year. We win the SEC and draw an 8 seed. We wind up getting bounced by eventual NC UNC in the second round but gave them their best competition of the tournament. If we had been a 6 seed we might have been Elite 8 that year.
Posted by epbart
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 1:29 pm to
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The key this weekend is winning 2 games. If we go 1-1, then the dreaded 8/9 seed is very likely. Win at least 2 games, and then we're talking 6 or 7 seed and a much more favorable bracket.

So... You're saying we need to win a pear of games...
Posted by TigerLaw40
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 1:36 pm to
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LSU needs to (A) wins some games in the SECT (beating Arkansas would be HUGE) and (B) have teams like Clemson, Va Tech, Wisconsin, Florida, make quick exits in their conf. tournaments.

I'm thinking the Bracket Matrix isn't fully updated. I don't see how Florida can still be a seed line ahead of us. In fact, Lunardi has them at a 9 seed now in his.

Comparing their resume to ours:

NET - LSU (28); UF (29)
KenPom - LSU (28); UF (30)
Overall record - LSU (16-8); UF (13-8)
Q1 - LSU (4-7); UF (5-4)
Q2 - LSU (3-1); UF (3-3)
Q3 - LSU (6-0); UF (4-1)

So the only thing Florida has better than LSU is 1 more Q1 win; however, they have 3 more losses than LSU in Q2 & 3 games. At best, Florida's resume is nearly identical to LSU.

Overall, I agree with what some have said that if LSU goes 0-1 or 1-1 this week, then they likely stay put at an 8 seed; especially since that 1 win would probably be to Ole Miss, which would be a Q2 game and not that helpful. But if they go 2-1 they move up to a 7 and 3-0 likely puts them to a 6 seed.
Posted by TFS4E
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 1:46 pm to
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So the only thing Florida has better than LSU is 1 more Q1

Isn’t LSU basically their 1 additional Q1 win?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 2:09 pm to
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So the only thing Florida has better than LSU is 1 more Q1 win; however, they have 3 more losses than LSU in Q2 & 3 games. At best, Florida's resume is nearly identical to LSU


I don't disagree, but UF has the head-to-head win over LSU AND that massive win AT West Virginia. You could argue that is the first or second best win in the SEC all season (Mizzou over Illinois is also in that discussion). It is just such a unique year that it is hard to project what the committee might do. It is hard to punish teams on SOS (particularly non-conf) because everybody had their schedule destroyed by cancellations. Unfortunately, LSU's only good wins are within the conf. while seemingly every team they are fighting with has at least one good non-conf win. When you are down to splitting hairs that's a good reason to defer away from LSU.

IMO, LSU needs to overcome their lack of diversity in quality wins (i.e. none outside the SEC) by getting a quantity of wins. Beating Ole Miss probably won't help at ton because even if OM is a Q1 game at the time it is played it is likely an LSU victory would drop them under the NET top 50. But beating Arkansas would be huge. I think if they play Arkansas and win they will definitely find themselves on the 7 line regardless of what they would do in the SECT championship game. That would be two wins over a top 3 seed.

I want to see LSU win every game, but my REASONABLE hope for the SECT would be for LSU to get to the finals by beating Arkansas. As good as Arkansas has been, I just don't see Days having a ZERO point, 2 rebound, 4 foul night again. Plus, one thing that really doesn't get mentioned in Arkansas's current 11 game SEC win streak is that SEVEN of those 11 wins came at home. Of the four road wins during that streak two were against Vandy and USC (two of the worst teams in the SEC). The other two were a 1 point win at Rupp and an OT win at Mizzou. That's not to say Arkansas is a bad team (they aren't). But NO ONE in the NET top 100 played more home games this season than Arkansas. They are just 5-4 on the road with only ONE of those wins coming against a team with a winning record...in OT. There are no more games scheduled for Bud Walton arena this year.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 2:16 pm to
we would have been a 2 in 2019 if Joe wasn't such a loser
Posted by tarzana
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 2:53 pm to
LSU's lack of a signature non-conference win smarts just as bad as stepping on jacks left on the floor in the middle of the night.

Tigers had a stellar opportunity it vs Texas Tech, and Florida, Mizzou and Tennessee each had a big win OOC.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 3:25 pm to
as an aside, Ohio State as a 2 seed???
Posted by Choot em Tiger
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 3:54 pm to
St. Louis is overlooked, that would have been a really underrated OOC win.

Okay downvoting ahole. They are on the bubble and out of conference-it would have been a good win.
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted by Blast and Laugh
Texas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 3:58 pm to
It’s weird he has LSU at 7 which I agree but he has Missouri as a 6 Seed. They finished 6th in the SEC.

I don’t think LSU falls below 7 if they beat Ole miss.
Posted by MeanStreak
Member since Nov 2015
295 posts
Posted on 3/8/21 at 4:03 pm to
People need to stop reading the net as the gospel this year. Fing Colgate is 8th in the net and San Diego St is 21. While I'm sure both are fine teams, neither on has a quad one win. This also allows teams that beat them to get an undeserving quad one win. This trickles down further and corrupts what the net was supposed to fix, complicated rankings like RPI, by assuming you would have more apples to apples comparisons. The selection committee is going to have to use different methods to decide what lines teams fall on. If you think of it this way, Ole miss Friday(assuming we play them) is not going to be a quad one win, but are they better than some teams in the top 50 net? I have no doubt of that.

I also don't think playing games out of conference is going to be as big a deal. We only played 7 non conference games, several of which were last minute switches. Some teams like Florida played far less. Again, the net works best when you have several out of conference opponents and you have more comparative games. The big ten has heavily manipulated this by playing 80% of their games in conference, allowing their middling teams to sit above other conference middling teams.

I think when its all said and done the seeding may not be a predictable as it was in past years. this is why they should have opened it up this year only to 96 and had two rounds of 32. No one would have complained about that.
This post was edited on 3/8/21 at 4:05 pm
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