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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
You're 100% right an I think that narrative is used strictly for attacking Miles. There's something to it there really is ex.. Larry Coaker nobody argues it when discussing him, but to totally dismiss Miles because of it isn't fair. As far as the rebuild its true that's what we are doing. Apparently the big wigs understood what was going on off the field with a lot of our players and we've seen the result of these guys finally facing discipline and the good kids who didn't want to be a part of it with the huge exodus. I don't think O was specifically hired because of the rebuild. From what I'm told Alleva is in way over his head when it comes to the big time college football community. He bungled both the Herman and Fisher situations. Any real AD could've landed either of those guys but Alleva totally screwed it up and almost lost Aranda in the process. He ended up in a situation where it was O or someone like Larry Fedora or Whittingham and when you consider that O doesn't look so bad. I didn't want O to get the job but if it was him or the other options I think we ended up with the best case.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 8:08 am
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:11 am to Madking
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Alleva totally screwed it up and almost lost Aranda in the process. He ended up in a situation where it was O or someone like Larry Fedora or Whittingham
a. Whittingham would be a home fricking run
b. we all could be rowing the boat, son
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and when you consider that O doesn't look so bad.
nope. still looks terrible. if we were just maintaining, Fedora and especially Whittingham are vastly superior
if it's a rebuild, then, well
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
The only continuity i need is the constant refreshing of tCorching changes bawd circa mid-late November
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Fedora has never done anything and have you seen his team this year? Wed've been in a fight for our lives vs BYU if he would've been hired. Whittingham has never won a big game in his life either. You might like him but he's been in a weak conference for years and has been at best the third best team. But you're entitled to you opinion but I have zero confidence in either guy giving us a chance to get back to where we were or improve in anyway.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Would Whittingham have left though? Isn't he a Mormon and Utah lifer?
A guy I like a lot is Jeff Brohm, tbh I wasn't sure about going from WKU up to LSU, but each Purdue game makes me question that stupidity ??
A guy I like a lot is Jeff Brohm, tbh I wasn't sure about going from WKU up to LSU, but each Purdue game makes me question that stupidity ??
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:27 am to Madking
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Whittingham has never won a big game in his life
He went undefeated and smoked Alabama in the Sugar Bowl chief
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:28 am to Madking
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Fedora has never done anything and have you seen his team this year? Wed've been in a fight for our lives vs BYU if he would've been hired. Whittingham has never won a big game in his life either. You might like him but he's been in a weak conference for years and has been at best the third best team. But you're entitled to you opinion but I have zero confidence in either guy giving us a chance to get back to where we were or improve in anyway.
I do love how y'all so easily toss aside coaches that have had sustained success, yet in the same breathe prop up O, a coach who has literally never had any success as a HC whatsoever
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:28 am to jromero
"How can this team need to rebuild when it has recruited so well?"
There are at least a couple of reasons: (1) uneven recruiting and misses at key positions, such as the OL, leaving the program with plenty of pro prospects but a team with weaknesses, and (2) a low rate of player retention (e.g., the WR spot where we are playing freshmen after Diarse, Quinn, and others jumped ship).
There are at least a couple of reasons: (1) uneven recruiting and misses at key positions, such as the OL, leaving the program with plenty of pro prospects but a team with weaknesses, and (2) a low rate of player retention (e.g., the WR spot where we are playing freshmen after Diarse, Quinn, and others jumped ship).
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:30 am to Madking
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Fedora has never done anything
he's done a metric frick ton more than O ever has as a head coach
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Whittingham has never won a big game in his life either.
he's beaten Saban in a bowl game
also he's transitioned UTah from a mid-major team to a major BCS team without many after effects
his resume is awesome and exponentially better than O's
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
"UTenn was when he emphatically tried to call a timeout after we created a turnover "
Yes! I had forgotten that one.
Yes! I had forgotten that one.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:32 am to Salmon
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I do love how y'all so easily toss aside coaches that have had sustained success, yet in the same breathe prop up O, a coach who has literally never had any success as a HC whatsoever
listen bub, things like BCS bowl wins (over Alabama no less) mean nothing
however, O's history of utter failure is not allowed to be referenced and also means nothing
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:33 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Yes! I had forgotten that one.
when i saw that i was like "we're in big, big trouble"
i called us losing that game when we were up 21-0. i'll never forget it b/c my dad was staying with me b/c he had to evac for Rita and he called me a crazy person. 2005 was long before Miles sucked all my passion for LSU FB away and i was quite mad after the game, to the point where my dad was utterly scared of me
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:33 am to Salmon
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I do love how y'all so easily toss aside coaches that have had sustained success, yet in the same breathe prop up O, a coach who has literally never had any success as a HC whatsoever
It's mind blowing. I really hope they're trolling. The alternative is pathetic.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:35 am to Madking
quote:he still looks terrible. Don't care about him in comparison to anyone else. If O hadn't been given DL job, and was sitting at home does anyone think that he would've been given the head job at LSU. Not a chance. This isn't Meyer or Stoops or even Miles. This is a position coach
ended up in a situation where it was O or someone like Larry Fedora or Whittingham and when you consider that O doesn't look so bad
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:36 am to timlan2057
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Good points. Want to see a vision?
HERE is when LSU was led by a clear and coherent vision and message from the top.
LINK
Yup.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I really don't understand why so many people treat this as a one or the other situation.
But, if I'm being honest, I can't view Saturday as a reflection on Orgeron as head coach. Those that can just want that to be the case, IMO.
O absolutely bears a ton of responsibility for the serious lack of discipline this team has displayed for 3 games. And, while it is fair to say we have some talent deficiencies, you can't lay ALL of 37-7 at that door either.
At the same time, pretending like O is 100% to blame is also silly because he ABSOLUTELY has inherited some talent deficiencies that are a direct result of his predecessor.
Too many people act like saying O is fricking up amounts to glorifying Miles and that pointing out talent deficiencies amounts to defending O.
The reality is, BOTH can be true. Miles was falling off and O is feeling the effects, AND, O has been a very rough start and there are things at his feet that are highly concerning.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:37 am to Salmon
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I do love how y'all so easily toss aside coaches that have had sustained success, yet in the same breathe prop up O, a coach who has literally never had any success as a HC whatsoever
Some crazy mental gymnastics.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
"however, i will make a point, again. if this team is a rebuild, then O is incomprehensible"
This is the best point you've made. O made sense if you could say this program is "there" or "almost there" after last year. I guess I'm still not sure. The team looked close when O went 6-2 last year but then you see both lines get dominated against State and you wonder if we were just overlooking some shortcomings we should have seen. If we're looking at 2019 as the first year LSU can really challenge (Brennan as second year starter, DL and OL woes fixed), then the O pick is a real head scratcher.
This is the best point you've made. O made sense if you could say this program is "there" or "almost there" after last year. I guess I'm still not sure. The team looked close when O went 6-2 last year but then you see both lines get dominated against State and you wonder if we were just overlooking some shortcomings we should have seen. If we're looking at 2019 as the first year LSU can really challenge (Brennan as second year starter, DL and OL woes fixed), then the O pick is a real head scratcher.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:45 am to mmcgrath
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2015 class: 5* Tyron Johnson WR 4* Tuehema OL 4* Okeke OL 3* George Brown OL 3* Isiah Washington DL 3* Banner Shipley TE All gone.
The dirty little secret about recruiting that most casual fans don't pay attention to is this.
You can maintain high rankings while recruiting poorly. Not all 4 stars are created equal.
What REALLY happens for example is this. You have two 4 star players at the same position. Both show immense talent on the field. One has a reputation as a perfect level head, hard worker, decent grades and his coaches speak highly of him. The other has questionable grades, or has a reputation for excelling in HS based on talent but not a hard worker.
Coaches who can be picky get soft on the 2nd guy. They pick up the first dude. Coaches who are starting to fall off have to take the 2nd guy.
On signing day, BOTH are rated similarly. But in 3 years, the first coach STILL has his players. The 2nd coach has a guy who didn't develop, flunked out, or just became an all round head case.
This isn't new. Anyone who has watched college football has seen this dynamic. IE, the "highly rated" recruiting classes that completely disappear in 2 years.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:47 am to Freauxzen
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I do love how y'all so easily toss aside coaches that have had sustained success, yet in the same breathe prop up O, a coach who has literally never had any success as a HC whatsoever
Yup.
I mean, I'm not a huge Fedora fan either. And sure, most potential choices we could have gone with last year have some blemishes that could cause some 2nd guessing.
But LOL. At least they have ACTUAL experience and SUCCESS they can point at too!
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