re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.

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I mean, I'm not a huge Fedora fan either. And sure, most potential choices we could have gone with last year have some blemishes that could cause some 2nd guessing.

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Ed Orgeron had 10 wins (in 3 years) as a legitimate HC of a program prior to 2017

Larry Fedora had 11 wins....in 2012

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we'll also have a true sophomore QB with very limited experience

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and most of his experience will be picking himself up off the ground

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it was also either a lie or a pitch made by people too stupid to realize the truth (or, possibly both)

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You had a perfect storm of different people with the same end game.

1. Miles apologists who were never going to admit the team recruiting really was a problem.

2. Miles haters who swore in the last couple years that we should be threatening BAMA because he was "losing with so much talent"

3. People who loved O because he was "one of us" and because he "changed stuff" as soon as he came in.

Those who looked at the above and said, "um, we have talent holes........and Miles is NOW losing because he can't attract a fricking decent QB among other things.........and being one of us isn't a qualification" were all drowned out because if you said 1, you were dismissed as a Miles hater and if you said 3, you were dismissed as a Miles apologist.

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Ed Orgeron had 10 wins (in 3 years) as a legitimate HC of a program prior to 2017 Larry Fedora had 11 wins....in 2012

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Did you read my post?

That was my point. Pointing at Fedora's issues that could cause 2nd guessing is silly. 2nd guessing a top 10 candidate for you job and saying, "frick it, I'll hire the 80th guy" is kinda silly.

"in 2019 we will have no RBs and questionable WRs. i don't think the OL will be closed to being fixed, either

we'll also have a true sophomore QB with very limited experience"

Your comments were intended for 2018, correct?

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so if we arent that talented why was miles fired for underachieving?

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Because he let the overall talent level get so bad we weren't elite any more, and that's underachieving considering the resources and talent pool available.

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we are as talented as any sec team not named bama.

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That is just not true. Not even close.

If you look at our starting 11 on both sides of the ball, 22 positions, where do you see our surefire NFL prospects?

OL: Clapp is probably our best, and he's iffy as an NFL player
RB: Guice, currently hampered by a nagging injury, is the only one we can say with confidence will play in the NFL
WR: Chark and....?
QB: Nobody who has seen the field yet.
DL/LB: Lawrence, currently out with an injury, and Key, horribly out of shape and rusty from 9 months away from football, maybe. Who else?
DB: Let's say all starting four, even though it's unlikely they all make it.

So, being charitable with Clapp and assuming all four DBs, that's a total of nine players, three of which are either out or slowed by injury or whatever it was that Key had going on. So, basically, we're playing with six NFL prospects on our team. That is not anywhere near the top level of the SEC. More than half of the conference has more than that.

There's a reason 20+ true freshmen saw action in the first two games. There are not holes to plug on this team, there are canyons that have been carved through the talent on our roster. We don't have anywhere close to elite talent, and it will take AT LEAST two more recruiting classes and probably three before we do, and that's even assuming that everything goes right in recruiting. A complete rebuild is necessary.

This program was run into the ground. We got rid of Miles just before it caught up to him and showed up in his record, but make no mistake, the bad season we had last year and the even worse season we will have this year would have been at least as bad and maybe worse if he had stayed.

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damn sure talented enough to not get destroyed by a sec bottom dweller with 1 top 25 class since 2013.

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MSU is not a bottom dweller. They've been in a BCS/NY6 bowl more recently than we have, and have had about the same record as we have over the past three-plus years.

That said, yes, we are talented enough that we should be able to stay within less than 30 points of Mississippi State, even on the road, even with our best players on both sides of the ball either out or slowed by injury, even when we are in the 3rd game of a completely new offensive scheme, even playing a ton of freshmen because we don't have any upperclassmen with talent. We played a terrible game on Saturday. There are more where that came from. That's what happens when you play in the SEC without SEC level talent and have to play your entire true freshman class right off the bat in crucial situations. We'll be in the same boat next year, too, and the year after that, to some extent. Get ready for it.

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so if we arent that talented why was miles fired for underachieving?

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LOL.

If a coach underachieves, which then causes recruits to be harder to come by, especially at certain positions, you can't use the latter to excuse FURTHER lowering of achievement.

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if this team is a rebuild, then O is incomprehensible

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It would be if not for what we know of the university administration and the BoS. Orgeron is a good ole boy who will give them the deference they require. The BoS already have little "yes" men in the forms of Alleva and Alexander, and now they have one in Orgeron. Who cares if he can coach? They sure as hell don't.

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Because he let the overall talent level get so bad we weren't elite any more, and that's underachieving considering the resources and talent pool available.

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Man this Miles narrative is changing by the minute. Now Miles didn't even have talent.

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Man this Miles narrative is changing by the minute. Now Miles didn't even have talent.

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You don't think people who had a problem with Miles noticed that Quarterback recruits treated him in much the same way Vampires treat people with wooden stakes?