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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:30 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:30 pm to moneyg
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If you don't see the issues in the trenches, we are just not going to agree.
I'm not disagreeing that we have talent issues, particularly in important areas like OL/DL. The problem is that 1) O was involved with recruiting for the last couple of years...and was the DL coach 2) O was in charge when the transfers/leaves happened en masse 3) I still think a good coach can coach around issues. And if you know it's an issue you should be actively resolving through 1) Recruiting 2) Coaching Hires 3) Scheme
Canada was a hot name, so I wouldn't bemoan that decision. But Jenkins? The transfers? O's lack of coaching....I just don't see the positives in the situation.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
"a. he is the former DL coach and primary DL recruiter
b. he didn't fire the OL coach
so while i agree in theory, the argument fails"
I'm not even intending to frame an argument. In fact, I largely agree with what you're saying; it's just that I don't know what to do with it. Your points seem best-suited to supporting the notion that O should not have been hired but, for better or worse, we got him.
b. he didn't fire the OL coach
so while i agree in theory, the argument fails"
I'm not even intending to frame an argument. In fact, I largely agree with what you're saying; it's just that I don't know what to do with it. Your points seem best-suited to supporting the notion that O should not have been hired but, for better or worse, we got him.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:49 pm to Freauxzen
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But Jenkins?
What!... you don't think octagenerians know some chit
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
I would just like to add that Orgeron doesn't have "his guys".
In order to have "your guys", you have to be a successful head coach or O/D coordinator. Position coaches don't have a group of loyal "guys".
Bottom line is Orgeron is a "guy" for some other successful Coach, I don't really know who because he has bounced around so much
In order to have "your guys", you have to be a successful head coach or O/D coordinator. Position coaches don't have a group of loyal "guys".
Bottom line is Orgeron is a "guy" for some other successful Coach, I don't really know who because he has bounced around so much
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Just curious SlowFlowPro.. do u unstop toilets by profession....."Simple Solutions to Complex Problems slogan"?
How do you have time to post hundreds of thousands of posts and are all said posts been on Tigerdroppings?
How do you have time to post hundreds of thousands of posts and are all said posts been on Tigerdroppings?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:14 pm to LSUvet72
Our AD is terrible at his job. That's really what it comes down to. Texas A&M might not have a win against us since they joined the SEC but they have fricked us over for 3 seasons in a row.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:59 pm to therick711
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So this roster as constructed, you believe, is four touchdowns worse than State?
No, the game clearly got away from them. But that can happen when you play 17 freshmen and several others playing big minutes in their first SEC road game . They don't know how to respond when they get hit in the mouth.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
SlowFlo,
Your post summarizes the sales pitch executed to get O in place. One simple word: continuity.
Your post summarizes the sales pitch executed to get O in place. One simple word: continuity.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:07 pm to Skillet
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And Louisville beat Jimbo Fisher by 40 something last season. I guess that means that Jimbo sucks and is no longer a top tier coach, right?
Jimbo is a national championship winning coach with multiple 10 win seasons.
Coach O has one like 3 games in the SEC as a full time head coach
Why are you trying to equate the two?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:08 pm to Skillet
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O will absolutely have to start winning these type games, or else. And he can't change what happened at Ole Miss...I'm just not ready to jump off a bridge yet after 1 game went horribly wrong.
So he's not responsible for the 30 games at Ole Miss and he's not responsible for this loss at LSU
When does he actually start to shoulder the blame for you?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:13 pm to Freauxzen
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I'm not disagreeing that we have talent issues, particularly in important areas like OL/DL. The problem is that 1) O was involved with recruiting for the last couple of years.
Well yes. But for frick's sake. Recruiting STILL is all about the direction of a program.
If all it took was a recruiting coordinator to solve things, then you could make Vandy a national power.
quote:Could be his fault. REally no way to know.
2) O was in charge when the transfers/leaves happened en masse
quote:Oh pahfrickinglease. Yes, you can coach around issues.........UP TO A POINT. If your DL is getting shoved 3 yards off the ball, there aren't a whole lot of schemes to solve that. I mean, Aranda didn't forget defense in the last 12 months.
3) I still think a good coach can coach around issues.
O was a bad hire. But we can't sit here and pretend that a good many of our problems were baked in.
It's possible to hold two thoughts in your head and both be true. 1. Miles was falling off and 2. O isn't the guy to fix it and will likely exacerbate the issue
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:29 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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Your points seem best-suited to supporting the notion that O should not have been hired but, for better or worse, we got him.
He's intentionally blurring the lines of arguing that Orgeron shouldn't have been hired (a reasonable argument that a large number agree with) and blaming Orgeron for the loss on Saturday by declaring that LSU doesn't have to rebuild.
It's intellectually dishonest at best and just lazy thinking at worst.
I didn't want Orgeron and said it before during and after he was hired.
But, if I'm being honest, I can't view Saturday as a reflection on Orgeron as head coach. Those that can just want that to be the case, IMO.
The #1 reason we lost on Saturday was our defense's inability to slow down the running game of MSU. Anyone who knows anything about football realizes that. Aranda is a stud coordinator. He was unable to coach his way out of the deficiencies we have on the front 7. That's an inherited problem.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 pm to doya2
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LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
where the hell do you people get this?
last year we had the most olinemen make an all sec team, a rimington award finalist,and led the country in yards before contact.
there is zero evidince our oline sucked in 2015 or 2016.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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So he's not responsible for the 30 games at Ole Miss and he's not responsible for this loss at LSU When does he actually start to shoulder the blame for you?
You shite your pants as a baby. Should that be held against you? Now if you shite your pants now...
He is the coach at LSU...right now. He isn't going to be fired. Bringing up the Ole Miss debacle from a decade ago is stagnant as frick. If that were his last coaching performance- fine, but it wasn't. If he shits the bed, then he can hit the road. Moo State was a horrendous performance and he deserves the anger that is directed at him. To me though, bringing up Ole Miss is pointless. That being said, he has a lot to prove starting this Saturday.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:43 pm to moneyg
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But, if I'm being honest, I can't view Saturday as a reflection on Orgeron as head coach. Those that can just want that to be the case, IMO.
so the entire team playing like shite,not being focused,and having a huge amount of penalties ISNT ON THE HEAD COACH?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:55 pm to jimmy the leg
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If that were his last coaching performance- fine, but it wasn't
its his only other time he was able to put his finger prints on a program and make long term decisions.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:01 pm to TigerFan4040
So OU is in rebuilding mode now that Stoops is gone?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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so the entire team playing like shite,not being focused,and having a huge amount of penalties ISNT ON THE HEAD COACH?
So you think it was focus and discipline that lost us that game first and foremost?
Did you miss the fact that MSU got 6 yards on average every time they ran it? To ignore that and blame an intangible shows me you are either totally ignorant of the game or, more likely, are being intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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there is zero evidince our oline sucked in 2015 or 2016.
Right - did LSU have an elite tackle in 2015 and 2016? No.
Did LSU have one of the better OLs in the conference? Hell yeah.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Its the Jimmies and Joes. Based on last week, we lack talent in the trenches to match up against a quality SEC team. I'm afraid that even Saban wouldn't be able to do much if you dropped in here. If you say no way, I'd remind of how bad our D was when Hookfin was the best corner he had on the right side. You have to have the players. We didn't even have enough DL to substitute in the 2nd half last week.
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