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re: LSU doubling down on McMahon, saying NIL key to future.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:00 pm to mcspufftiger7
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:00 pm to mcspufftiger7
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If you think across the board LSU has as much talent as those other teams that were mentioned then yeah you don't know much about basketball. We don't even have an SEC level starting PG. That is the most important part that is missing in addition to maturity. If more NIL $$ allows him to buy better players then maybe they win a few of those games. If they don't then he will be fired and the next coach will walk into a program that has made a bigger commitment to basketball.
We played more talented Alabama and Auburn teams tough, we beat Arkansas and Oklahoma, we led a ranked Ole Miss team by double-digits at home, and probably should've won the SEC opener. We may not be "as talented" as a bunch of the aforementioned teams but we're competent to at least position ourselves better than 2nd to last and would've had McMahon coached us better in the Vanderbilt, Texas, and Ole Miss games. It seems like we're trying to revive New Coke by putting more money into it and hoping that makes the product somewhat better.
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:02 pm to jbraua
We'll go 6-12 in league next season, and be told it's really year 1 because years 1-3 didn't count due to lack of NIL funding....and look at the improvement from 2025!
I'm done. F you Scott.
I'm done. F you Scott.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:03 pm to 1999
quote:at least there is effort. I was worried we just go into the offseason next season quietly. If we are gonna keep the coach we at least need to get premier players. We have a good haul of high school players signed but need to get top notch experience
take the buyout money and spend it on players. i don't think mcmahon is the guy, but i get it.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:04 pm to The Pirate King
Where Mcmahon has struggled is in the portal. That is a fact. Now is it because he can't identify talent or is it because he was limited in what he could do because of NIL Bailey is a good piece for any team. He can do just about anything but he isn't an SEC starter. Neither is Sears. Neither is Givens although he may develop into a good PG but he is young at this time. So what kind of PG could MM get if he had $5 mil instead of $1.5 mil. How about player retention for next year if he is still here. There will probably be suitors for Collins. Maybe even Chest and Miller. Give him a level playing field and then judge him. I just think if he can be competitive with the lack of experienced talent he has now then maybe he can make that jump with comparable experienced talent.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:05 pm to jbraua
Well damn.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:05 pm to jbraua
Just delaying the inevitable with this news. What will be the excuse next year when we’re in the same position with a similar record? “Oh, be patient. NIL collectives take time to build up and have an effect.” Pretty disappointing honestly. You would think the donors would be reluctant to pony up but who knows? This is going to sting doubly if Wade takes an SEC job and we’ll continue to flounder while the rest of the conference builds up their programs.
I’m glad it’s not my money. I’m also glad that I have another program where I’m invested and that program, unlike this cursed one, knows how to create/preserve a winning culture.
I’m glad it’s not my money. I’m also glad that I have another program where I’m invested and that program, unlike this cursed one, knows how to create/preserve a winning culture.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:10 pm to tigerbait2010
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I’ve said this many times on the board. Money comes with a promising future and McMahon has been nothing short of a nightmare since day one. We literally do nothing well
In all of my years of being an LSU fan I've NEVER seen ardent support from fans and, apparently, the athletic department for a coach with such poor results. Barring a miracle, he's going to finish year 3 with a (LSU) career sub .500 overall record and .300 conference record. That's unbelievably bad. The ONLY rationale I can come up with as to why is there are some fans and the AD who are so despite to prove letting Wade go wasn't a mistake that they are willing to eschew all logical thinking towards that end.
One of the curses of being an LSU basketball fan is that you have a good sense of what bad basketball and what a lackluster program looks like.
John Brady was a roller-coaster. He was just as apt to win the SEC as he was finish last. The year after taking LSU to the Final Four, he immediately tanked the program to last place. He came back for another season...and was fired midway through with LSU is last place again
Johnson won the SEC in year one, then had two of the worst seasons in 10+ years (until McMahon arrived) in years 2 and 3. LSU brought him back for year 4. After losing to such powerhouses as Coastal Carolina, Northwestern, and South Alabama, he started 3-6 in SEC play, proving he was only able to beat the bottom of the league. Shockingly, LSU was going to keep he for yet another year. It took Johnson himself realizing it wasn't going to work and escaping his inevitable firing the next season.
That led so the second laziest hire in LSU history, Johnny Jones, by the laziest AD in LSU history. Jones was a guy who was a candidate for exactly ZERO major conf. HC jobs except for LSU. Jones got the money to buy players (sorry LSU fans, guys like Jerrell Martin, Jordan Mickey, Antonio Blakeney, Tim Quarterman, were "bought" too...also Santa isn't real). Call it "increased NIL" before NIL was legal. He underachieved with the crescendo being the Ben Simmons season where LSU was the only preseason top 25 team to miss the NCAA Tournament. It was clear to anyone who paid attention Jones was never going to be the guy to elevate the program. He should have been let go after that season. Instead, the AD brought him back for a useless and unnecessary 5th season...which resulted in an entirely predictable disaster of a season that sunk the program into complete apathy.
So here we are again. It is glaringly clear McMahon is not ever going to be a guy to lead this program to any significant achievement. A coaching change is inevitable. It's not a matter of if, but when. That "when" should be after this season so the program can push the reset button rather than falling further behind in what has become the best basketball league in the nation. Instead, it appears the AD will try to see just how far the depths of apathy the program can reach with a useless 4th season...before making the inevitable coaching change.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:11 pm to Circle K Beggar
If we are in the same position next year then they fire him. So what. At least any new coach coming in will see a commitment to the basketball program. But to judge him on a $1.5 mil budget is a joke.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:13 pm to jbraua
South Carolina went 26-8 overall and 13-5 in the SEC last year and have lost some close SEC games this year. This is LSU picking convenient data and running with it.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:13 pm to SammyTiger
There's no doubt you need NIL $. But IMO, just my opinion, it should be easier to be competitive in basketball, than say football, even if you're in the bottom half of spending in your conference. Not saying they should be winning the conference or competing for championships if there really is a massive discrepancy in NIL spending but if it's used wisely, you should be better than 2-10. Wish we knew the exact disparity between league average and however much LSU/SC are spending.
It definitely makes things more difficult, but I think if you got a little more creative in the spending it could make the team much more competitive. Find 2-3 guys, spend the majority there. Everyone else, identify 2 traits that you want from that position and guys who may have flawed games, but excel in those specific traits you want for that position based on your system.
I'm sure someone will tell me why this logic is flawed, and it might be, but unless there's a substantial discrepancy between the league average and LSU, which there may be, I don't think a few more NIL dollars are not going to cure what ails the program at the moment.
Maybe they'll throw the money around my theory will be completely blown up, and that would be awesome, I guess we'll see. The overall talent on this roster is definitely towards the bottom of the league, but it doesn't seem like they are just completely outmatched, top to bottom, every single night.
It definitely makes things more difficult, but I think if you got a little more creative in the spending it could make the team much more competitive. Find 2-3 guys, spend the majority there. Everyone else, identify 2 traits that you want from that position and guys who may have flawed games, but excel in those specific traits you want for that position based on your system.
I'm sure someone will tell me why this logic is flawed, and it might be, but unless there's a substantial discrepancy between the league average and LSU, which there may be, I don't think a few more NIL dollars are not going to cure what ails the program at the moment.
Maybe they'll throw the money around my theory will be completely blown up, and that would be awesome, I guess we'll see. The overall talent on this roster is definitely towards the bottom of the league, but it doesn't seem like they are just completely outmatched, top to bottom, every single night.
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:14 pm to mcspufftiger7
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But to judge him on a $1.5 mil budget is a joke.
I’m judging him on the fact that he can’t beat anybody. You and I both know Saturday was an absolute miracle. Enjoy next year. It’ll be more of the same.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:14 pm to jbraua
So a Top 15 class isn’t good enough to not be a bottom dweller team and more money will buy what, a top 10 class? What’s that gonna do get us to 5-13 next season?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:17 pm to Masonburden67
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Didn’t someone on here post how the basketball team is losing money ?
They turned a profit last season. Just over a million, I think.
I am not sure if that will be true this season but who knows?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:21 pm to jbraua
Its like this. you either pay for another coach r pay for better talent. I dont like what sports has become but it is what it is
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:21 pm to jbraua
WW2 level propaganda
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:24 pm to Madking
Coach calapari proved that you wont win with just the best freshman talent. They are looking for John wall in the portal so they can elevate to a bubble team.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:25 pm to PgRbtiger
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Its like this. you either pay for another coach r pay for better talent. I dont like what sports has become but it is what it is
LSU is about to do both., its really going to suck for the Admin when they have to go back to the same exact donors to ask for buyout money after they asked for NIL money
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:25 pm to mdomingue
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:26 pm to jbraua
Jesus fricking Christ
Posted on 2/17/25 at 2:26 pm to jbraua
buying players won't fix the problem, which is CMM is not an SEC caliber coach...get ready to keep sucking.
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