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re: LSU bowl game roster might be awfully thin

Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
8922 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:03 pm to
They weren't meaningless until college football started its demise . Now they are pointless and no one cares. NCAA has ruined the fricking game. sons of bitches..
Posted by thumperpait
Member since Nov 2005
3588 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:06 pm to
Wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22724 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:07 pm to
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NCAA has ruined the fricking game. sons of bitches..


Lawyers & court decisions is what lead to the changes, not the NCAA.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:08 pm to
Happened last year too.

Who cares? It is the annual shite bowl BK brings us to anyway.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34156 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:18 pm to
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Lawyers & court decisions is what lead to the changes, not the NCAA.


The NCAA was more than happy to accept the hundreds of millions in revenue generated by the sports through huge medial contracts, licensing deals, etc while saying the players deserved little to no share of that massive revenue. As more and more money was being made off of college sports (see the recent huge TV deals as an example) the inequity between what the conferences, schools, NCAA was getting (millions upon millions of dollars) vs what the players were getting (i.e. little of the revenue) became too big to ignore. That's why the NCAA has lost essentially every legal decision on this issue. It was essentially acting as a monopoly over the college sports marketplace.

Rather than seeing that inevitability coming down the line and preparing for it, they continued to pretend/hope it wouldn't happen. Now it has and they had zero rules/guidelines in place.
Posted by Ping Pong
LSU and UVA alum
Member since Aug 2014
6015 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:20 pm to
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Transfer portal should not open up till after bowl games


unfortunately that would not allow much time for players to register and move to another school before the spring semester starts.
Posted by TooSober
AA Meeting
Member since Oct 2015
627 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:54 pm to
NO... I do not want to waste any practice time on guys that are not going to be here next year. Let them go. We have plenty of people to play a bowl.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22724 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 4:55 pm to
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The NCAA was more than happy to accept the hundreds of millions in revenue generated by the sports through huge medial contracts, licensing deals, etc while saying the players deserved little to no share of that massive revenue. 


You mean the schools & conferences, right? The NCAA once upon time owned all broadcasting rights for all collegiate football games. They also tried to interfere with & stop the conferences abilities to negotiate their own television deals & have all games broadcast on television. Georgia & Oklahoma took them to court & won. That there started this. It's all snowballed since.

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Andy Coats loves telling his classes about it. It’s one thing to teach antitrust law. It’s quite another to tell his Oklahoma students there once was a case, one that went all the way to the Supreme Court, that involved the school they attend — and it was about football.

Then Coats, almost 90 years old and still sounding as sharp as he was half his life ago, looks at his students and makes the big reveal.

“I’m the guy who screwed up college football,” he says.


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It was about the chase for television money. And it happened because nobody is in charge: The NCAA is powerless to tell conferences what to do. The conferences and schools are free to chase all the TV dollars, and in turn the courts and lawyers are free to demand the players get their fair share, their name, image and likeness money, their unlimited transferring.

It all stems from one lawsuit, 40 years ago, when Oklahoma — joined by Georgia, long before they became conference mates — teamed up against the NCAA to challenge its stranglehold on television rights. When it ended, the NCAA lost control of football, and the financial floodgates opened.

It was the case that changed everything.




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As television caught on, Byers, who became executive director of the NCAA in 1951, simply added TV rights to the NCAA’s area of control, giving it the power to negotiate contracts and determine which games were televised. And for NCAA members to be in good standing, they had to agree to the NCAA’s rules.

The NCAA had three official objectives regarding football on television, per a handbook of the NCAA Television Committee, located in the archives at Georgia’s special collections library:

To reduce, insofar as possible, the adverse effects of live television upon football game attendance.

To spread television among as many NCAA member colleges as possible.

To provide football television to the public to the extent compatible with the other two objectives.


Essentially, the NCAA wanted the bigger brands to take less for the greater good. This NCAA handbook, published in 1982, noted that those plans “remained remarkably similar as to their essential features over the past 30 years.”

But discontent among the bigger brands had been brewing for years. The top schools complained that they weren’t on television enough. They were the ones pulling in the viewers, yet everything was shared equitably by NCAA member schools. And by the late 1970s, there was more financial pressure: Title IX, which passed in 1972, pushed schools to add women’s teams, driving costs up. Big schools saw the NCAA’s television deals as an untapped source of revenue.





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There was also the NCAA’s rule that limited teams to one or two national games per year, and then only one more regional game. During the 1981 season, No. 1 USC beat No. 2 Oklahoma in a classic, down-to-the-wire game … and it was only a regional telecast. Ditto for the 1966 classic between No. 1 Notre Dame and No. 2 Michigan State, which ended in a 10-10 tie. In 1980, when Georgia won the national championship, it was on national television only twice, with one regional appearance.


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During question-and-answer arguments, White said that antitrust law was never meant to apply to college athletics. Another justice sympathetic to the NCAA, William Rehnquist, asked Coats whether the NCAA was meant to be a profit-making organization.

“It wasn’t intended to be, but it certainly is,” Coats replied.

That argument won out. The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 in favor of Georgia and Oklahoma, in a decision handed down in June 1984.
Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the majority opinion:

“The court found that by fixing a price for television rights to all games, the NCAA creates a price structure that is unresponsive to viewer demand and unrelated to the process that would prevail in a competitive market. And, of course, since as a practical matter all member institutions need NCAA approval, members have no real choice but to adhere to the NCAA’s television controls.”





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Of course, the most tangible result of the case was the NCAA losing control of football, essentially, because it lost control of TV rights. The NCAA president isn’t in charge of college football. It’s not like pro sports where the buck stops with commissioners, even if they work for the owners.

That is what led to realignment, with television deals the most important draw for conferences. It ended the Pac-12 as we knew it. It led to the Big Ten and SEC being the two richest conferences, the Big 12 behind, and the ACC with a very uncertain future.

“The chaotic state of college athletics today was not in our vision,” Neinas said. “It is beyond any control.”

He was talking also about NIL and the transfer portal, which came into being after court cases and state legislation. And those happened in large part because of the money pouring into the sport, and an awareness that the players should share in it.





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Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
30721 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:00 pm to
Maybe a star is born-- cf Jontre Kirklin

Would love to see Aaron Anderson ball out and throw 3 TD passes against Baylor
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71551 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:08 pm to
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As with almost every team. Face it. The bowl games are basically useless now except for the extra practice you get.



This, I would rather guys coming back play in the bowl game honestly. If you WANT to play yet on you're way out (like Campbell/Taylor to NFL or seniors), then fine. But I would much rather see the guys returning play in the bowl game overall.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71551 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:10 pm to
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They weren't meaningless until college football started its demise . Now they are pointless and no one cares. NCAA has ruined the fricking game. sons of bitches..



Playoff format is better, way better end of season games and crowning a true champion by play on the field ultimately. But the lesser bowl games suffer, it'd be better if they just killed them and expanded the playoff even more honestly.

Not saying we need 32 teams in the playoff or something crazy bu 16-24 teams, why not. FCS does 24 teams and has for more than a decade now and has no bowls outside of some HBCU ones I believe.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 5:12 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80171 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:15 pm to

Per Jontre Kirklin,

If we got 11, we play.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7002 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:18 pm to
I’m treating non playoff bowl games as offseason practice scrimmages until they get rid of them entirely. Which I am fine with.

They meant something before unhinged transfer portal / NIL. But that’s a distant past.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7002 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:25 pm to
Yes well all of this is precisely why the NFL has an antitrust exemption (not that they’ve never tried to abuse it, through television no less lol).
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
13462 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:28 pm to

If the guys headed to the NFL don't play (Campbell, Taylor, likely Jones, others?) and 10-20 others likely in the transfer portal, we could see some really thin position groups. Offensive line might be ugly, for one.
—-Mr Sunshine
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
12277 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:31 pm to
I might still go if it’s somewhere fun like Nashville. If it’s just a Texas or Florida bowl I probably won’t go
Posted by vegas-tiger
NV desert
Member since Dec 2003
2101 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 5:57 pm to
I can see a few bowl games migrating to Vegas for the "destination bowl games". Go see the bowl game while on a Vegas trip. Lower tier bowls in non destination places will be empty stadiums.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
16601 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:00 pm to
That’s why I don’t want to play Tulane. The don’t have to worry about players leaving for the NFL.
Posted by jmon
Loisiana
Member since Oct 2010
9980 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:00 pm to
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LSU bowl game roster might be awfully thin


Who gives a shite. Meaningless bowl that I will watch because some guys may getting their first opportunity for show what they have!
Posted by LSUmudman
Abita Springs
Member since Aug 2015
1769 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:55 pm to
Bowl games and conference championships will and are rapidly declining in value. What is important now is paying 18 yr old kids plenty money and making it to the final 12. College football as we knew it is over. Remember when it was truly enjoyable?
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