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re: LSU Basketball Constructive Criticism
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:35 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:35 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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19 offensive rebounds - I have no idea how many 2nd chance points Bama got off of these rebounds but I'd bet its more than 3. If we box out and rebound, we win that game as well as the Arky game. This team isn't incapable of rebounding either, they showed vs Kentucky that they can bang with the big boys and hold their own. They just haven't done it on a nightly basis.
They had 15 second chance points. But you are right, defensive rebounding is a big weakness of this team. Actually, it has been a big weakness of ALL of Wade's LSU teams. I think it can be attributed to their defensive style of play. When you are switching a lot, closing out hard, and pressuring the ball as much as LSU wants to do that puts guys out of position for box outs. It needs to be better...but don't expect them to become a good defensive rebounding team by years end. It's just not what Wade's teams do.
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2) 60% from the FT line - This team is not skilled on the offensive end which means they NEED to make FTs. If we shoot 80% from the FT line, we get 3 more points and the game is headed to OT. We also win the Arky game if we made FTs.
LSU has always been a good FT shooting team under Wade. And they were again this season until right before SEC play started. Now it is falling off a cliff for whatever reason. FT shooting is just a matter of shooting shot, after shot, after shot in practice. Hopefully it will pick back up.
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3) 21 TOs - Yes, One or two of these can be blamed on questionable calls but even if you remove those we still have an astronomically large number of TOs. We shot 43% from the floor vs Bama and still only scored 67 points because we have so many possessions that don't get a shot off.
This is killing LSU more than any other single metric. IMO, just a 30%-40% reduction in TOs would cause a drastic effect. LSU is probably leaving anywhere from 8-12 points off the board each game simply because they aren't taking a shot because they turned the ball over. When your defense is so good 8-12 more points on your side could be HUGE.
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:35 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
The defenses have kept him from catching low so he ends up too far for his hook to be effective
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:36 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Not to hi jack my own thread but I was thinking, when is the last time Efton made a shot that wasn't a 3 or dunk?
He made one baby hook shot from 5-6 feet along the baseline last night. It was really pretty and was hoping that it was the start of getting him the ball down low. Then missed another badly.
If Reid could consistently hit that baby hook for 12-14 per game the entire team offensive identity changes for the better.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:38 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
No half court offense, pretty simple.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:40 pm to jimbeam
Exactly. On offense especially when we are facing a zone I really love when we put Tari around the free throw line with him flashing from junction to junction depending what wing the ball was swung to. When he catches the ball here this allows him make a quick aggressive move to the goal and he keeps getting better and better each game.
Reid has to be more way more aggressive and physical sealing his man on the block when Tari catches the ball around the junction. This will eventually come with time for Reid.
This team is so resilient, grindy, scrappy and is damn good even with a banged up lineup and going through the hardest part of the schedule. Trust in the General and the baws by the time March comes around this is an extremely dangerous team no one wants to get matched up with.
Reid has to be more way more aggressive and physical sealing his man on the block when Tari catches the ball around the junction. This will eventually come with time for Reid.
This team is so resilient, grindy, scrappy and is damn good even with a banged up lineup and going through the hardest part of the schedule. Trust in the General and the baws by the time March comes around this is an extremely dangerous team no one wants to get matched up with.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:43 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Not to hi jack my own thread but I was thinking, when is the last time Efton made a shot that wasn't a 3 or dunk?
He made a hook from the short corner that they are counting as a mid range last night. He also was 2/2 from mid range against Arkansas. I know one or both was near the FT line. He's just got to be quicker off the catch. Sometimes he stumbles off his spot, sometimes he just really makes slow reads -- it's giving help defense way too many opportunities to swat at the ball and tie him up.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:46 pm to Tiger1242
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1. The shot clock, you only have 30 seconds and usually less because it takes 3-5 seconds to get into the front court. Motion offenses usually take time to get the defense out of position and you don’t have that with a shot clock
People tend to think motion offenses automatically means you are making 10 plus passes and using a ton of shot clock. It doesn't have to be that way. You can use a combination of dribble drive and motion principles and still shoot relatively quick. We would need to play at a faster pace to make that happen, which I think would benefit this team.
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2. Really good/smart coaches and defenders. Motion offenses can become predictable and with the resources and scouting of college programs your offense can get figured out very easily and then you are in trouble.
The best motion offenses are based on reads where a passer or cutter has options once they make a pass (screen away, cut, use a screen, etc...) or use a screen (refuse, curl, down, etc...). This makes them less predictable and counters how the defense plays it.
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3. Hyper talented players who you need to get the ball to, a motion offense makes it harder to force the ball to a great player, which as a basketball purest you may like, but the way the game is today sometimes you just need your best guys to take the shot.
I feel like with dribble handoffs and screens you can still get your best player the ball and do it with them having an advantage coming off a screen or dribble handoff instead of when play is stagnant, and they have to create from nothing.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
The question is there: At the beginning of the season did anyone expect a good chance for LSU to go better than 50% in the 1st 7 SEC games of Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and Kentucky? I didn’t. I think I said 5-6 total SEC losses for this group. They’re on schedule and can be a dangerous Tournament 2nd weekend team if healthy.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 1:55 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Completely agree with the free throw shooting.
We have been really good since Wade has been here at FT's. I am disappointed at our numbers from the line since we played Auburn. That has to improve.
We have been really good since Wade has been here at FT's. I am disappointed at our numbers from the line since we played Auburn. That has to improve.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:38 pm to BearTiger
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The best motion offenses are based on reads where a passer or cutter has options once they make a pass (screen away, cut, use a screen, etc...) or use a screen (refuse, curl, down, etc...). This makes them less predictable and counters how the defense plays it.
You are describing what is called a read and react offense not a motion offense and this type of offense is what we are trying to do.
A motion offense puts everybody in a set starting spot and has predetermined movements based on where the ball is passed or dribbled.
A read and react offense has options, movements, reads based on where the ball is like you are describing
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:57 pm to jimbeam
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Ball sticks and too little off ball screening
Along with the turnovers, definitely this
On most screens they simply run to a spot Usually don't actually get a body on the other team. This is one of the reasons the halfcourt offense tends to stall. This is one of the little things that as a coach frustrates me.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:59 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Our biggest problem is rebounding,foul differential,and meaningful possessions.We get in this mode where we don’t setup a meaningful offense and take off balance crazy shots or chunk of contested 3s.With the way our defense is we just need meaningful possessions no wasted ones,Days and Eason have to take it to the rim and create fouls and get to the line they both are deadly around the hoop. Reid has got to play smarter and with more grit and rebound the ball an play like his 7ft height.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:06 pm to Champs
Why would anyone ever so eagerly advertise such a pitifully short attention span?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:12 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Any team that can make LSU play a half court offense and not be able to get points off the fast break will have a better than even chance of beating them.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:17 pm to dmatt2021
I think you’re right on all points. Giving up offensive rebounds last night was a result of bad close outs and guys leaving their feet on ball fakes and perimeter shots. A lot of times we had to commit an extra man to the rotation because of that leaving us outnumbered on the boards. We have to get back to making disciplined hard close outs without leaving our feet.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:19 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Reid - Stop shooting left handed shots. You are shooting less than 15% when shooting left handed.
Gaines - Slow down young fella. You don't realize how out of control you are half the time.
Murray - Quit crying everytime something bad happens like you turn it over, your man wasn't ready for the ball and you turn it over. It's contagious sometimes.
I could go on and on but I'm not. Whatever. This team needs Days and Pinson back to have any chance to get to the sweet 16.
Gaines - Slow down young fella. You don't realize how out of control you are half the time.
Murray - Quit crying everytime something bad happens like you turn it over, your man wasn't ready for the ball and you turn it over. It's contagious sometimes.
I could go on and on but I'm not. Whatever. This team needs Days and Pinson back to have any chance to get to the sweet 16.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Good points. Also- our big men. Reid and Fudge ( particularly Reid) needs to play stronger in the paint. They need to develop some better finishing moves around the rim.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:03 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
You are correct in all your assertions.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:53 pm to LongTime Tiger
Good summary. I would like at least 1 pass on 80% of offensive possessions, too many times it's 1 guy flailing around, ending in a TO half the time.
Also, stop fouling after a rebound or during the start of us pressing.
Also, stop fouling after a rebound or during the start of us pressing.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:07 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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here are the cliffs:
1) We need to rebound.
2) We need to make FTs.
3) We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with TOs.
2a. We need to get to FTA; 2b. Make our FT
on pt 1.... haven't seen the stats on 2nd chance opportunities, but that has killed us last few games. i think we would have had a few more vs Bama if Days doesn't get hurt, but we need Reid to gobble some rebounds
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