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re: LSU Baseball had a GREAT 2015 and CPM deserves respect and credit!!
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:39 am to TampaTiger22
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:39 am to TampaTiger22
The point is valid and even more so now that you have said that. What makes him great? What is it that makes Coach K one of the best? Because he won back to back titles in 1991 and 1992 but then went 9 seasons before the third. He went another ten before he fourth.
CPM has been coaching nine years for LSU and he consistently puts together teams that win 45 or more games and contends for the SEC top spot along with Omaha. If he wins next season, will you be happy? What if he wins the next two seasons and doesn't win another for ten years?
My point of using Coack K is that he gives his team a chance to contend year after year. He can't win a title every year but that doesn't make him a bad coach. Lehigh beat Duke not because they are better but because they played better that game. If Duke and Lehigh play ten times, Duke would win 8 or 9 of the times. And that was one of Dukes better teams.
John Calipari is known as a great coach but he has how many titles? One. Yet somehow if Kentucky were to fire him, he would get a job with any program in the country he chose. Why? Because he knows how to build a team that is good enough to have a chance at winning a title.
"Yeah, I’m going to try to win the national championship next year. But I’m not going to kill myself doing it. I’m not going to kill my players either. You really start to realize there’s a lot more to what we’re trying to do then winning games"
Geno Auriemma
LSU baseball fans need to realize that we have a good coach that makes mistakes. He made a few bad calls in Omaha, sure. But he didn't overthrow to first base on a simple ground ball to the pitcher. He def didn't do it twice. Jared Poche made that mistake. He knows it and he will be back next season ready to prove he is better than that.
If we continue measuring success over Championships than you will never be happy because LSU baseball will never do what they did in the 90's again. It would be great but that was Skip Bertman and he is a legend amongst Kings. You can't compare what CPM is doing now to Skip because it's just simply a different game and a different time.
Skip hired CPM to do great things and build LSU baseball back up to the top of college baseball. He did that and now we complain that we lost in Omaha? IN OMAHA? IN!
We got there and didn't win a title, that sucks but how does that make CPM a bad coach?
CPM has been coaching nine years for LSU and he consistently puts together teams that win 45 or more games and contends for the SEC top spot along with Omaha. If he wins next season, will you be happy? What if he wins the next two seasons and doesn't win another for ten years?
My point of using Coack K is that he gives his team a chance to contend year after year. He can't win a title every year but that doesn't make him a bad coach. Lehigh beat Duke not because they are better but because they played better that game. If Duke and Lehigh play ten times, Duke would win 8 or 9 of the times. And that was one of Dukes better teams.
John Calipari is known as a great coach but he has how many titles? One. Yet somehow if Kentucky were to fire him, he would get a job with any program in the country he chose. Why? Because he knows how to build a team that is good enough to have a chance at winning a title.
"Yeah, I’m going to try to win the national championship next year. But I’m not going to kill myself doing it. I’m not going to kill my players either. You really start to realize there’s a lot more to what we’re trying to do then winning games"
Geno Auriemma
LSU baseball fans need to realize that we have a good coach that makes mistakes. He made a few bad calls in Omaha, sure. But he didn't overthrow to first base on a simple ground ball to the pitcher. He def didn't do it twice. Jared Poche made that mistake. He knows it and he will be back next season ready to prove he is better than that.
If we continue measuring success over Championships than you will never be happy because LSU baseball will never do what they did in the 90's again. It would be great but that was Skip Bertman and he is a legend amongst Kings. You can't compare what CPM is doing now to Skip because it's just simply a different game and a different time.
Skip hired CPM to do great things and build LSU baseball back up to the top of college baseball. He did that and now we complain that we lost in Omaha? IN OMAHA? IN!
We got there and didn't win a title, that sucks but how does that make CPM a bad coach?
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:51 am to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
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Stop posting about the fricking "big picture" shite. We get it....
But that doesn't mean PM didn't make some really dumb decisions and should not be held accountable. He is happy to tell you by name who made errors and didn't pitch well.....but, if you question his coaching, he never accepts responsibility.
Dude has become a fricking clown in the dugout.
THIS! So freaking this ^
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:53 am to tadelatt
quote:Getting there is good. Losing like he did is bad.
how does that make CPM a bad coach?
It's that simple, tad. You can make excuses for him. But it's no secret that he has trouble handling a bullpen when it matters. He goes on hunches too often. He thinks he's smarter than the numbers, than every fan, than conventional wisdom. He was right about Austin Nola once, and it has made him a worse coach for it.
We can't look at the season in a vacuum. We watch the games. We see how they are won and lost. When it comes to baseball, very few wins and losses come down to the coach. He sets the lineup. But even that is often straight forward when you have 8 guys hitting above 300 all year. After that, it's when to bunt... when to pull a pitcher... when to pinch hit. Paul struggles with these things. He really does. But how many games can you attribute to those decisions? When do they matter and affect the outcome? Maybe 15 games? 20? We finished with 13 losses. Sure in a few, we were just beat or were unlucky. But a huge chunk of those were games we should/could have won had our coach just made the common sense move. Ole Miss, Kentucky (twice), TCU (twice)... and those were just the worst that come to my head. Did he make the right decision in some wins? Absolutely. He had to have to win over 50 games. But that doesn't absolve him from being a narcissistic dumbass who might have cost us a championship.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:58 am to tadelatt
Tadelatt, I'm your biggest supporter, but you're the one who's missing it.
This was an epic year for LSU baseball. Epic. I attended numerous practices and watched every single game because I knew this was as team that time wouldn't forget. The ENTIRE infield was drafted! Epic. Ranked #1 in the nation.
Then we looked liked fools in Omaha. Dominated twice by TCU. Coach made one absurd pitching decision after another. Then blamed the players. I'm tired of his shite. Hell, he had Scivique on the bench!!! Jonny Bench finalist would have only caught Tues games were it not for Pap struggling.
This was an epic year for LSU baseball. Epic. I attended numerous practices and watched every single game because I knew this was as team that time wouldn't forget. The ENTIRE infield was drafted! Epic. Ranked #1 in the nation.
Then we looked liked fools in Omaha. Dominated twice by TCU. Coach made one absurd pitching decision after another. Then blamed the players. I'm tired of his shite. Hell, he had Scivique on the bench!!! Jonny Bench finalist would have only caught Tues games were it not for Pap struggling.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:11 am to ell_13
quote:
He goes on hunches too often. He thinks he's smarter than the numbers, than every fan, than conventional wisdom.
His gut feelings and hunches cost him, that's a fact.
quote:
But that doesn't absolve him from being a narcissistic dumbass who might have cost us a championship.
This
It's all about him and always will be.
Players continue to come to LSU because of the program and facilities-not because of him.
Why are several juniors leaving? Because they can't take another year under of him.
It's an advantage to play for this type of program as you can see it churns out first rounders and 1-10 every year.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:11 am to tadelatt
Geaux
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:15 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Everybody always says how talented we are but seriously how are we more talented than Florida Vanderbilt or hell even texas A&M before they had 2 starting pitchers get injured? All teams in baseball are fairly even a few years ago a 4 seed from a regional won the whole thing. It's about getting hot at the right time and no stat is more important than 2 out hitting
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:18 am to tigertalkster
This didn't come down to talent or 2 out hitting (we actually hit pretty well. Had the highest average in the tournament when we were kicked out). Vandy is the most talented team. Florida will be next year.
But we didn't even play either of those teams.
But we didn't even play either of those teams.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:57 am to ell_13
This thread just reminds me that CPM is technically a manager during the season. There's never been much proven evidence that managers have a huge effect on the game. As long as he recruits well, hires the right staff, and makes decent line up and pitching choices before the game, I don't think what happens during affects that much.
He can't make his pitchers pitch well. He can only hope that they do.
He can't make his pitchers pitch well. He can only hope that they do.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 10:01 am to Jesterea
quote:Of course not... but when they are pitching well, let them pitch dammit!
He can't make his pitchers pitch well. He can only hope that they do.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 10:11 am to ell_13
I get the thinking, but Newman got hit in the screws on a couple of those pitches. My one complaint is that Bain could have gone longer, but we weren't winning that game. In the end, we had two starting pitchers, one dominant and the other good. That's what hurt us the most.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/20/15 at 10:20 am to ell_13
Exactly!
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:38 am to Jesterea
Your one complaint is Bain? Nothing about Norman, Godfrey, or Stallings?? 
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:38 am to Catman88
quote:
LSU fans will remember it as a disappointment
Anyone suggesting 50+ wins, a west title, a SEC title, a regional title, a SR title, and a CWS visit as a disappointing season is college baseball mentally challenged. imo
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:44 am to tadelatt
More Theraputrid snack from you guys. The standard has been set . Make noise in Omaha or Bust. Just that simple will never change.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 12:15 pm to Jesterea
He deserves criticism also.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 4:46 pm to FightinTiga
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Why are several juniors leaving? Because they can't take another year under him
So true that's why all under classman leave early it's because of cpm he always tinkers with the line up takes hot pitcher's out and the end result is we lose the important games.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 5:01 pm to tadelatt
I never do this but holy shite TL;DR. I bet you typed that up in word.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 12:06 pm to PurpGold 14-0
No, just had to unload some thoughts
Posted on 6/21/15 at 2:13 pm to Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
Àbikaasa Where did you learn your vast base ball knowledge, king of the morons
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