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re: LSU 2nd in the Nation in Red Zone Rushing TDs - 9 Rushing TDs - Why All the Sky Screaming?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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83% is incredible its also not sustainable. YPC is a much better stat than YPA
IF you want to look at the a passing game, you have to include incomplete passes. YPA is better than YPC. if you get 100 yards one 1 pass and 0 on 19 others, you average 100 yards a completion, which would tell you that you should throw the ball more, but you absolutely shouldn't.
Sustainability is a completely different factor, but if you're chucking bombs on bad defenses your YPC isn't anymore sustainable that your Completion %.
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:In this offense, the RB is almost a second QB. His reads, and execution off his reads is more important to the overall offense than a couple extra yards rushing on average.
The offense can still be good, great even with a lesser running game. the running game isn't "efficient" just because the overall offense is better or different. It also may not matter
If you can find an RB who is elite at both, then all the better. Right now, CEH is pretty damn good at both. That's why Brady/E named him the starter.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to redfishfan
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Yes it will. OL guys have to make sure they don't get down field. You get bigger run plays by blocking linebackers and safeties. Can't do that on an RPO. We screwed one up against GS but the ref missed the call. Had an OL 7-8 yards downfield.
RPOs are based on numbers. OL guys can't get downfield, but they also don't run the ball unless it's advantageous to do so. That makes it a wash.
Plenty of RPO offenses have substantially higher rushing numbers than us.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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In this offense, yes. In Les Miles' LSU offense, no.
Your logic says the opposite.
Realistically W/L tells oyu how the team is doing, not how efficient any one aspect of the team is.
"good enough to win" isn't good.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:38 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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That is out of context in this offense. Joe Burrow's yards per pass attempt is 12.5 (not completion... attempt) So, 7.9 yards per play (average from all pass attempts and rushes - 1649 yards, 208 plays)
What?
The guy asked what our rushing numbers were outside of the redzone. I gave them to him.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:39 pm to slackster
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Plenty of RPO offenses have substantially higher rushing numbers than us.
Here is the thing though, if i am playing Baylor, maybe sometimes i drop into coverage instead of biting on that handoff.
If i am play LSU who has run the ball nonstop for ever, i may play run way more often.
i wouldn't be surprised if a vast majority of our RPOs dictate a pass.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:42 pm to Todd O'Connor
Sounds like you guys think the Brady/E offense sucks! LOL!
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:50 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Sounds like you guys think the Brady/E offense sucks! LOL!
What makes you say that?
We are defeintly a pass heavy offense not, but historically we have been a run heavy offense. So i still think teams (through 3 games) are going to play our RPOs more towards the run, which means we are going to be passing.
what percentage RPOs do you think we are running?
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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YPC is a much better stat than YPA
Not really. In Burrow's case, his YPA shows that he's highly efficient.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:51 pm to AnotherRound
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While this may be true, this has nothing to do with what the OP is saying. Dumb
Sure it is. I don’t think anyone is arguing we need to run more. If they are then they are stupid.
I’ve heard people say we need to run better though. And that comes with playing the best players. Lanard Fournette is not the best player. CEH, as a full time feature back, is also not the answer. This isn’t hard
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
No dude.... I don’t know how many times I can say this but, LSU HAS to run the ball better to beat the upcoming SEC schedule..... this ain’t the big ten were defenses are weak.......again you don’t care if LSU wins or not as long as Joe gets his stats.... sad indeed.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:56 pm to TigerLunatik
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Exactly. As a collective fanbase LSU fans have been begging for a passing game with quality QB play and now that we have that and more, some of the fans are now complaining that we aren't running the ball. The offense is crazy effecient. It's working and working very, very well. Sit back and enjoy it.
My issue has been Emery. You put him in the game and don't even get him the ball. Which is fine, but that's 1 game closer to burning a redshirt for absolutely no reason.
But I'm liking our Redzone rt now. If you can eat up chunks in the passing game, and run it when you need to, we will be fine. Still has me shaking my head at last season and how terrible we were. I blame Steve.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:56 pm to Todd O'Connor
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if you get 100 yards one 1 pass and 0 on 19 others, you average 100 yards a completion, which would tell you that you should throw the ball more, but you absolutely shouldn't.
Yes well 1 completion is not an adequate sample size. We wouldn’t look at a punter or RB that threw one pass that went for a 40 yd TD and make him a QB because of his 100% completion percentage 40 yard avg per att and 100% TD
In your extreme example the 5% completion percentage would stick out
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
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Sure it is. I don’t think anyone is arguing we need to run more. If they are then they are stupid. I’ve heard people say we need to run better though. And that comes with playing the best players. Lanard Fournette is not the best player. CEH, as a full time feature back, is also not the answer. This isn’t hard
I think you're misunderstanding the post.
Your argument about playing the best players is separate from the point Buckeye Jeaux is trying to make.
Buckeye says we have 9 rushing TDs, therefore, our running game is great. That's asinine, and you know that too.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes well 1 completion is not an adequate sample size. We wouldn’t look at a punter or RB that threw one pass that went for a 40 yd TD and make him a QB because of his 100% completion percentage 40 yard avg per att and 100% TD
In your extreme example the 5% completion percentage would stick out
I meant for it to stick out. YPC doesn't take completion % into account. YPA does.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:05 pm to dukke v
quote:Says the guy who picked Texas over LSU... and now says Oklahoma is a better team than LSU!!!
.again you don’t care if LSU wins or not as long as Joe gets his stats.... sad indeed.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:07 pm to Todd O'Connor
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YPC doesn't take completion % into account. YPA does
I always look at YPA, not YPC.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:08 pm to slackster
quote:No, moron. I'm saying that Brady/E know what the hell they are doing, and you don't have a clue.
Buckeye says we have 9 rushing TDs, therefore, our running game is great. That's asinine, and you know that too.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:09 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Says the guy who picked Texas over LSU
I breathed a sigh of relief when he did...
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:11 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Brady/E know what the hell they are doing
I don’t think anyone could argue this at all. I just hope once Ed Ingram is back in the lineup our run blocking will get better
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