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re: LSU 2nd in the Nation in Red Zone Rushing TDs - 9 Rushing TDs - Why All the Sky Screaming?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And a WR room (now one of the best) that was nearly the worst in the nation on drops, is also part of the equation.
I don't think Judging JB on the first half of last season and projecting that forward is logical. Stats are always just part of the equation.
Stats have never been the tell all when it comes to talent.
And a scheme that had Joe under center rather than in shotgun, with painfully slow developing plays also is part of the equation.
Its like putting Eric Clapton in the Lawrence Welk orchestra and expecting great things. Doesn't mean Eric can't play. Just the wrong environment
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:32 am to Lester Earl
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magine Derrick Dillon playing in front of jamar Chase. The offense could still be good, wouldn’t it?
You don’t have to run or pass more. Just get the best guys in there
While this may be true, this has nothing to do with what the OP is saying. Dumb
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:35 am to slackster
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If you watched Burrow through 8 games last year and thought this kind of passing offense was possible in less than a year, you were crazy. Ultimately you were lucky and right, but it still makes it crazy. It's not based in any logic.
Uhh, yes a person could see that it was possible for Joe to be a good QB - make the reads, throw in the open windows, etc.
The offense has changed which allowed the increase in production to occur.
You are grouping two things together that are not related.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:39 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Here again we have classic Buckeye/Ree cherry picking. Scoring TDs in the red zone is extremely important. How you get them less so. How many TDs you get vs how many time you get to the RZ also important who has the most RZ rushing TDs doesn’t say anything about how good the overall running game is.
For the record I’m not complaining or even concerned about the running game, we’ve played 3 games, 2 against scrubs and the other wound up a shoot out. As for LE suggestion about playing the better guys, those things tend to work themselves out.
For the record I’m not complaining or even concerned about the running game, we’ve played 3 games, 2 against scrubs and the other wound up a shoot out. As for LE suggestion about playing the better guys, those things tend to work themselves out.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:43 am to AnotherRound
quote:
Uhh, yes a person could see that it was possible for Joe to be a good QB - make the reads, throw in the open windows, etc. The offense has changed which allowed the increase in production to occur. You are grouping two things together that are not related.
If I told you after the Mississippi State game that Burrow would be a favorite for the Heisman after 3 games this year, you'd have called me crazy, and rightfully so.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:43 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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The RBs ran for 3.5 ypc on plays that originated outside the NSU’s 5 yard line. 0-3 FCS NSU. Stating a fact isn’t “sky screaming”.
RPO system will hurt your YPC. When blocking the Oline can't get downfield too much in case Joe decides to throw it. So runs that go for 5 yards may have went for 8-10. I'd like to see what our YPC are on only called runs not inside the 5.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:49 am to redfishfan
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RPO system will hurt your YPC. When blocking the Oline can't get downfield too much in case Joe decides to throw it. So runs that go for 5 yards may have went for 8-10. I'd like to see what our YPC are on only called runs not inside the 5.
RPO shouldn't hurt yards per carry in and of itself.
FWIW, our YPC outside of the redzone is 3.86 YPC.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:53 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:How "good" it is? THAT is subjective.
How many TDs you get vs how many time you get to the RZ also important who has the most RZ rushing TDs doesn’t say anything about how good the overall running game is.
How "effective" it is? Just count the TDs and W's.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:54 am to slackster
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RPO shouldn't hurt yards per carry in and of itself.
Yes it will. OL guys have to make sure they don't get down field. You get bigger run plays by blocking linebackers and safeties. Can't do that on an RPO. We screwed one up against GS but the ref missed the call. Had an OL 7-8 yards downfield.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:58 am to slackster
quote:That is out of context in this offense. Joe Burrow's yards per pass attempt is 12.5 (not completion... attempt)
FWIW, our YPC outside of the redzone is 3.86 YPC.
So, 7.9 yards per play (average from all pass attempts and rushes - 1649 yards, 208 plays)
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:08 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yards per completion is a much more telling stat.....
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:12 pm to dukke v
quote:Apples to apples, maybe. (2 Qbs with similar completion %)
Yards per completion is a much more telling stat.....
But not if one QB is at 63% completions and the other is at 83%.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:14 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
That is out of context in this offense. Joe Burrow's yards per pass attempt is 12.5 (not completion... attempt) So, 7.9 yards per play (average from all pass attempts and rushes - 1649 yards, 208 plays)
clearly the offense is very good, but woudn't it be better if we could up our rushing numbers?
I don't think we should make any wholesale changes, but i would like to see more out of our 2nd RB carries. I am not sold on Lanard.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:17 pm to Todd O'Connor
quote:The RB has a highly complex and essential role in this offense.
clearly the offense is very good, but woudn't it be better if we could up our rushing numbers?
CEH is solid. If you can find an RB who is highly explosive AND can handle all the complexities, that would be ideal.
Not sure anyone overtakes CEH this season. Now NEXT season could be interesting at RB.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:20 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
How "good" it is? THAT is subjective.
there are objective measures that can tell you if a running game is effective
quote:
How "effective" it is? Just count the TDs and W's
So if a team is dead last in rushing ypg and ypc but the team wins and scores a bunch of 1/2 yd rushing TDs you are saying the running game is effective? Objectively and subjectively that's false.
Again, I'm not concerned at this point, cherry picking stats that don't tell you whether the running game is good or effective hurts your argument.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I mean, we can do more than jsut have him as a blocker.
And i did find the Joe Brady Quote about our RBs not coming here to block.
LINK
Now again, idk how many RPOs were running % wise.
I wonder how much of our Running Game is based on RPOS.
I know were running a lot of them, and if the right call is to pull it and throw thats what you gotta do. I wonder what % of our plays are called passes/called runs/RPOs
And i did find the Joe Brady Quote about our RBs not coming here to block.
quote:
Running backs are here to run the ball and catch passes. They’re not signed to play at LSU because they’re dynamic blockers. That’s what offensive linemen are for. Are they going to have to do it? Yes. But the more we can get them in the routes, the more defenses limit the packages they can do and it allows us to do what we have to do.
LINK
Now again, idk how many RPOs were running % wise.
I wonder how much of our Running Game is based on RPOS.
I know were running a lot of them, and if the right call is to pull it and throw thats what you gotta do. I wonder what % of our plays are called passes/called runs/RPOs
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:In this offense, yes. In Les Miles' LSU offense, no.
So if a team is dead last in rushing ypg and ypc but the team wins and scores a bunch of 1/2 yd rushing TDs you are saying the running game is effective? Objectively and subjectively that's false.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:24 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Yards per completion is a much more telling stat.....
Apples to apples, maybe. (2 Qbs with similar completion %)
But not if one QB is at 63% completions and the other is at 83%.
83% is incredible its also not sustainable. YPC is a much better stat than YPA
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:27 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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In this offense, yes. In Les Miles' LSU offense, no.
The offense can still be good, great even with a lesser running game. the running game isn't "efficient" just because the overall offense is better or different. It also may not matter
Put another way, if you throw the ball down the field to the 1 but the QB dives over the pile for a rushing TD that does not mean you have an efficient running game
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Two very different stats (particuarly if the QBs completion %'s differ much).
YPC is a much better stat than YPA.
You think one is "better"? OK. I don't
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