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Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:13 am to mdomingue
What a moron. Another Cecil the Diesel or Ryan Perrilloux idiot except with less ability.
He needs to be off the team permanently.
He needs to be off the team permanently.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:20 am to lsupride87
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Voila
Happened at 10:30 @ night. It was dark.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:36 am to Red Stick Tigress
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Why can't people give him the benefit of the doubt until facts prove otherwise? Innocent until proven guilty.
THEY HAVE!
point is
anyone tied to shite like this has poor judgement and should be nowhere near our locker room.
TM was kicked off the team for failing multiple dope tests.
JJ was suspended 7 games for a bar fight.
This is way worse. holly is done. it's over. move on.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:41 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Honestly not much different - thankfully no one died.
Would you rather get a phone call saying you kid had been in a bra fight or your kid had been shot? IF you say its not much different than not much else to discuss.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:08 am to mdomingue
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I asked the same question, no answer.
If he was even close to being remotely involved in this thuggish behavior, he is definitely a cancer to this team
Take your SJW crying somewhere else
I thought BLM??? You had a young, innocent black girl get shot, and you’re sitting here defending someone because you’re assuming a white person is talking down about a black guy… fricking crazy man
You libs are the biggest group of hypocrites I’ve ever seen in my life
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:18 am to lsufan1971
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kid had been in a bra fight
Is that like a panty raid?
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:23 am to TheRouxGuru
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If he was even close to being remotely involved in this thuggish behavior, he is definitely a cancer to this team
Most people consider a guy a cancer if he affects the demeanor and attitude of the locker room. I have never heard a single thing to indicate that is the case here.
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Take your SJW crying somewhere else
You couldn't be further from who I am if you tried
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I thought BLM??? You had a young, innocent black girl get shot, and you’re sitting here defending someone because you’re assuming a white person is talking down about a black guy… fricking crazy man
Is Madking white? I have no idea. I just wanted to know what his definition of a cancer on a team is. This may be difficult for you to grasp but a person can do a terrible thing but not have been a locker room cancer.
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You libs are the biggest group of hypocrites I’ve ever seen in my life
You neocons are a rich bunch thinking you know who is a lib or a conservative. I've been a conservative probably longer than you've been alive kid. Go melt somewhere else, snowflake.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 12:14 pm to Fat Bastard
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should be nowhere near our locker room
You took my entire comment out of context. I will recap since English must be your 2nd language:
By law, he IS INNOCENT until proven guilty. Additionally, I said that a person with legal issues has never been allowed to remain on any team. Suspension has been the norm.
What part of what I said did you misunderstand?
NOT ONCE DID I EVER SAY HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE WITH THE TEAM.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:21 pm to mdomingue
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Most people consider a guy a cancer if he affects the demeanor and attitude of the locker room
How on earth would being around a guy who shot at someone NOT affect the mood of the locker room? What planet are you on brah?
IF holly was involved in this shite, he has no business being around the team. End of story. Have fun at a community college in Mississippi or Kansas or wherever
Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:58 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:You're conflating a possible bad action with a bad character. You don't know what happened or why it happened. The grand jury rejected an attempted second-degree murder charge.
How on earth would being around a guy who shot at someone NOT affect the mood of the locker room? What planet are you on brah?
quote:You don't even know what shite is involved.
IF holly was involved in this shite, he has no business being around the team.
quote:Well, sure. You don't want to be confused by the facts. [quote]
End of story.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:11 pm to TheRouxGuru
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How on earth would being around a guy who shot at someone NOT affect the mood of the locker room? What planet are you on brah?
There are a bunch of players still in contact with Holly just based on things you see on social media. They either think he was not involved or don't care. There are plenty of D1 football players who are stellar human beings but there are plenty who are not. It is an unfortunate fact that many high-end athletes seem to come from living environments that engender lax attitudes toward their fellow human beings.
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IF holly was involved in this shite, he has no business being around the team. End of story.
We agree on this. He maintains he is innocent as does his lawyer. The circumstances described make it seem like that is not the case. LSUPride has said for a while that people he knows in that parish are pretty certain he was there and discharged his gun. All of it is pretty much hearsay but until it is fully adjudicated, you keep him away from the team.
There are no winners in this situation, that is what makes it a sad story.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:13 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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This isn’t a DWI or a bar fight.
Honestly not much different - thankfully no one died.
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by ForeverEllisHugh
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:44 pm to Salviati
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You're conflating a possible bad action with a bad character.
You’re right. Good people do frick up occasionally and do bad things. Especially when they’re young. But I don’t think how well liked he is by his teammates should be a factor in him coming back or not. There are some bad actions that good people commit that there have to be consequences for separate from the legal ones. If he is found to have been involved in this, even if his legal penalties aren’t severe enough to prevent him from coming back for next season, and as beloved of a teammate as he may be, Brian Kelly and a program at LSU’s level just doesn’t need the added distraction. BK has enough to deal with already, I’m sure he’s way past being tired of answering questions about a guy who is 4 + hours away and not a member of the current team.
And there’s a trust level to this as well. If Holly can’t be trusted enough not make such bad decisions to be involved in this, how can they trust him to not frick up the week of a big game. Even with something much less severe, like a bar fight or DUI or whatever. What if he’s a huge part of the game plan for a Bama game, and he gets arrested for something stupid on Thursday night?
However, if he is cleared and shown not to be involved, of course you let him back and welcome him with open arms. It seems unlikely he wasn’t involved in some capacity, but I will concede I have no idea and this appears to be a strange case for whatever reason. He might have shot her at point blank range and tried to kill her or he might have been asleep somewhere miles across town. I have no idea.
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You don't even know what shite is involved.
I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I certainly concede that.
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You don't want to be confused by the facts.
Again, I realize not directed at me, but I am throughly confused because there don’t seem to be a whole lot of known “facts” at this point other than the girl was shot. I just hope the facts do come out and the appropriate people are punished appropriately and the innocent people are not punished at all.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:50 pm to lsupride87
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the charges of attempted murder were dismissed by the grand jury
This is what makes it so confusing to me. The charges don’t seem to match either side’s version of what happened. And the grand jury not indicting him on 2nd degree murder doesn’t mean they think he’s not guilty of it. It just means they don’t think the DA has enough evidence to prove it. But how could there not even be an assault charge? Just all around confusing.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:14 pm to Salviati
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You're conflating a possible bad action with a bad character.
I’d sure love to know what kind of mental gymnastics you did to come to this conclusion…
yea man, when you shoot at a group of people at a party for whatever reason, you’re pretty much telling the world you have bad character.
I honestly can’t believe you just said that
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:17 pm to mdomingue
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If he is innocent, I want him playing for LSU because I think he will be a great running back.
No knock on you whatsoever, but would you have been as invested in this if it were Tre Bradford last year, and we had 7 other scholarship running backs? Or if it were Landon Ibieta? Or some 3-star 3rd string OL? I think we’re all paying closer attention to this and maybe extending him a bit more grace because we only have 3 scholarship RBs on this team, and he’s the state’s all time leading rusher, and we saw him break a long TD last year against army. Which is absolutely normal for a fan. We are typically hypocrites and hold our players to lower standards than guys on other teams. We shouldn’t—it’s not rational, but being a fan isn’t really rational. It does stand for “fanatic,” after all.
But I don’t think he’s actually that good. He’s good, but he racked up a ton of those yards against a lot of bad teams. I don’t think he’d ever be a big part of a rotation of a typical LSU RB room (which granted, we don’t have now). I think he’d be behind Durham, Jackson, Berry, and the Alexandria kid next year. Which is fine, I’d still want him if he’s found to have not been involved. But I’m from NLA and know who he played against, saw some of his weekly highlights, and just never thought he would translate into a top-end LSU RB. I thought he’d likely be a portal guy eventually, even before this stuff.
I could certainly be wrong—I’m no scout. But I think my perception of his talent is allowing me to be more objective and less emotionally invested in this than if it were Leonard Fournette. Which is as much of a criticism of me as anyone else, maybe more. But more just an observation of the different lenses people see these things through. I think we can all agree that if his name was Trey Johnson and he was just a regular 19–year old from Union Parish that none of us had ever heard of, there wouldn’t be a single post on this case, even on the OT. But, here we are.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:21 pm to Hot Carl
Your posts are intelligent and well written.
Thank you.
To be clear, I don't think he should be on the team with pending felony charges.
I just refuse to write him off and throw him away as others seem so willing to do.
Or in other words, I don't think it's the "end of story" without at least reading something beyond the indictment.
Thank you.
To be clear, I don't think he should be on the team with pending felony charges.
I just refuse to write him off and throw him away as others seem so willing to do.
Or in other words, I don't think it's the "end of story" without at least reading something beyond the indictment.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:32 pm to Salviati
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To be clear, I don't think he should be on the team with pending felony charges.
I just refuse to write him off and throw him away as others seem so willing to do.
Or in other words, I don't think it's the "end of story" without at least reading something beyond the indictment.
Thank you.
And I knew what you meant and completely agree with you. You can’t say “end of story” and throw him away when him not even being there and involved in any sort of way is still on the table. And as far I’m concerned, as of now, it is.
It’s just so hard to have these conversations when all we really have are hypotheticals and theories with very little current support for any of them. Right now, he’s Schrödinger’s Shooter. He simultaneously tried to kill her and wasn’t even there.
Let’s just hope the actual truth comes out when they open the box. Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:49 pm to Hot Carl
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I think we’re all paying closer attention to this and maybe extending him a bit more grace because we only have 3 scholarship RBs on this team, and he’s the state’s all time leading rusher, and we saw him break a long TD last year against army. Which is absolutely normal for a fan. We are typically hypocrites and hold our players to lower standards than guys on other teams
98% of this board would be screaming that he shouldn’t be on the team at all if we’re were playing at bama, florida, A&M, etc
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