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re: Link to the LSU board meeting at 10
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:45 am to JodyPlauche
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:45 am to JodyPlauche
ETA: double post
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:46 am to Alt26
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Honest question because I don't know. Did the victim(s) in this instance report alleged crimes to the police? Or did they just report it it to LSU?
Yes, I know as ridiculous as it may be LSU has a legal obligation to investigate, etc. which I am not absolving them of. However, I think we ALL should have a fundamental problem with UNIVERSITIES being required to serve in some quasi-investigative/law enforcement/prosecutorial capacity when what these women are alleging are CRIMES which we have a judicial system in place to handle.
This is my biggest problem. Some people may not listen to these claims of sexual assault, which maybe they should. But if the police lets them know that they have evidence, then something will be done.
Why are schools being expected to handle these things instead of the actual police?
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 10:48 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:46 am to ipodking
quote:That seems way too lenient. He is a high ranking official that gets paid a lot. He shouldn't be allowed to screw up that bad and cause this kind of trouble for LSU.
Verge suspended without pay for 30 days
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:46 am to The Dozer
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That seems... light.
they said the system and policies were so bad that it's hard to place the blame solely on individuals
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:47 am to Alt26
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Yes, I know as ridiculous as it may be LSU has a legal obligation to investigate, etc. which I am not absolving them of. However, I think we ALL should have a fundamental problem with UNIVERSITIES being required to serve in some quasi-investigative/law enforcement/prosecutorial capacity when what these women are alleging are CRIMES which we have a judicial system in place to handle.
Husch Blackwell blamed it on understaffing and too many cases for the understaffed group. Basically if there was not overwhelming evidence, the case was dismissed and the appeals system was basically non-existent
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:47 am to NolaTiger52
Full report here:
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:47 am to RadarTiger
Suspensions? How about firings...
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:48 am to Old Money
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Suspensions? How about firings...
keep in mind that the majority of the key players here aren't at LSU anymore
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:48 am to NolaTiger52
quote:They probably shouldn't be but that doesn't change the fact that that's the way it is. There is no excuse for some of the obvious screw ups.
Why are schools being turned in to the police with sexual assault cases?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:49 am to skullhawk
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keep in mind that the majority of the key players here aren't at LSU anymore
Good point.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to Epaminondas
I like verne but am pretty shocked her survived this, I thought he was going to be the sacrificial lamb but I guess our gross incompetence across the board saved him
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to Alt26
From what I understand victims did report to the police... its was the massive number of appeals within the university's guideline that made victims feel hopeless. Working in the legal field, Sexual Assault cases can be the most difficult to prosecute. Most instances its he said she said. Without more evidence than that most cases are dropped.
In the military, we had to request jurisdiction on offenses from civilians. I never in my career had one sexual assault or sexual harassments case that the civilians wanted to keep.
In the military, we had to request jurisdiction on offenses from civilians. I never in my career had one sexual assault or sexual harassments case that the civilians wanted to keep.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to RadarTiger
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Husch Blackwell blamed it on understaffing and too many cases for the understaffed group. Basically if there was not overwhelming evidence, the case was dismissed and the appeals system was basically non-existent
Again, I don’t know why this is a school problem, and not a police problem. How can LSU have hearings if they cannot legally decide if a person is guilty of a crime.
Sexual assault is not the same as cheating.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to NolaTiger52
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Why are schools being expected to handle these things instead of the actual police?
It’s a title IX requirement
I am Not sure if the purpose is to encourage victims to come forward who may be afraid to talk to the police or supplement legal investigations with school investigations so a victim doesn’t have to sit in class with someone accused while the justice system works it out.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to NolaTiger52
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This is my biggest problem. Some people may not listen to these claims of sexual assault, which maybe they should. But if the police lets them know that they have evidence, then something will be done.
Why are schools being turned in to the police with sexual assault cases?
Absolutely.
And it provides due process rights to the accused...which is the FOUNDATION of our criminal justice system. I just have a fundamental issue with a university, any university, being forced to investigate/prosecute alleged criminal activity.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:50 am to skullhawk
This report is more focused on the future rather than the past
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:52 am to Alt26
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And it provides due process rights to the accused...which is the FOUNDATION of our criminal justice system. I just have a fundamental issue with a university, any university, being forced to investigate/prosecute alleged criminal activity.
How does LSU have the right to kick someone out of the school based on something that could have come out of thin air? The claims were never proven right or wrong. It is not LSU’s responsibility, nor do I think they have the capability to decide these things
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:53 am to skullhawk
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LSU has undergone massive budget cuts over the past decade. They screwed up big time not putting the money required into their Title IX dept but you gotta cut something. Those small savings are now going to cost the university a lot more than they saved because now they'll probably have a Title IX dept on steroids.
Link to these massive budget cuts please.
And don’t confuse LSU’s budget and legislative appropriations. Those are apples and oranges.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:53 am to mightynine
You get a 404 error if you try to download the full report.Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:54 am to Tigercowboy
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its was the massive number of appeals within the university's guideline that made victims feel hopeless.
Appeals by whom? The accused?
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