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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:08 am to therick711
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People cannot admit that Welter's grasp on the job lasted two years too long. They refuse to see what is as plain as the nose on their face. Beckwith isn't a middle linebacker who wins every individual battle and never makes a mistake. However, he has ALWAYS produced more than Welter did. The idea that he couldn't have overtaken Welter until the moment the coaches pulled the trigger that many posters here seem to think is Gospel is laughable precisely for the reason you list. The production gap is so massive, it was a mistake by the staff.
Everyone just has to deal with it. The staff blew it. They overvalued whatever leadership or lining people up Welter supposedly did. For all of Welter's prowess lining us up, during his tenure as field general LSU had the most straight up busts they have had since Miles got here. Not to belabor it, but Welter just wasn't the right fit in this scheme
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:09 am to therick711
well yes if you make a bowl there is 13 games.
i agree with your post i was just stating he didnt start for 2 years.
i agree with your post i was just stating he didnt start for 2 years.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:13 am to BilJ
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BilJ
I want it to be known to everyone that posted in this thread LINK that it was coach speak. It was plain as day that a change needed to be made. KB should have been getting on field experience to develop. There was no need to find out what was already known.
And this thread too.
LINK
From the Great Gray Tiger
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Hopefully, LSU and Welter prove the critics wrong.
He won't. It would be impossible given the level of ignorance around here.
The hatred of Welter is now ingrained in the Rant. Even an All-American, first round draft choice season won't remove that. Once the well is poisoned it never clears up and we will hace a constant refrain from the never-beens bitching about the kid for years.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:20 am to lsupride87
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Beckwith has been an all-sec caliber stud since becoming a starter. I have been having a tough time wrapping my head around how it took 17-18 games for him to gain that roll. I could understand if it was a situation in which he was only a little bit better then the current starter, sometimes that can be hard to see in practice. But we literally went from possibly the worst MLB in the SEC, to the best. I just dont think it magically appeared this October. Without turning this into a complete bash thread, did the coaches just simply miss on this? That happens to every coach from time to time so it isnt a major indictment. Or, is the real reason Welter lost the nudes and it freed Mile
how many times are we going to go over this? You are beating a dead horse. Get over it and be happy hes playing now.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:21 am to therick711
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Chavis is to Linebackers as Cameron is to Quarterbacks.
If he's impressed that should carry a ton of weight. But it won't.
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Some guys behind him might have him beat on the athleticism but it may not outweigh Welter's advantage in getting the defense in proper positions out there.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:24 am to Double Oh
quote:Dude Im with you. I know I am being an idiot
how many times are we going to go over this? You are beating a dead horse. Get over it and be happy hes playing now
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:24 am to BilJ
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Hating a 20 yr old college player who is out there busting his butt for LSU just shows the class of the ranters here. And I am sure he has more talent in his left big toe than 999% of his haters here.
There should be a sticky on every message board on sports that only says "if the best thing you can say about a player is that playing him is better than playing people who aren't players of the sport, stop. You have already lost the debate."
If the only comparison you can draw to make a player look good is that people who don't play aren't as good as him, logically one must infer that literally every other person who plays at that level is better than that player.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:44 am to BilJ
Beckwith should have been ready to go by the uga game last season.
It took 2 years for him to learn the position because chavis wouldn't give the kid reps. Kid is a natural.
Oh well, at least we get him for ~20 games before he goes pro.
ETA
It took 2 years for him to learn the position because chavis wouldn't give the kid reps. Kid is a natural.
Oh well, at least we get him for ~20 games before he goes pro.
ETA
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While Welter's play has indeed left something to be desired, he must be our best option or Chief wouldn't play him. Pretty obvious stuff here but some don't seem to be able to comprehend it or think they know better than Chavis himself.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:47 am to BigEdLSU
quote:So we get him only for the same amount of games Welter started
Oh well, at least we get him for ~20 games before he goes pro
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:28 am to Katy Tiger
quote:His starting over Beckwith had ZERO to do with football. That much anyone with a functioning brain could figure out.
My father in law insists that Welter is related to Edwin Edwards, or some other VIP.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:31 am to TX Tiger
Welter has 5 solo tackles on the year. To put that in perspective, Lacouture also has 5.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:32 am to TX Tiger
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His starting over Beckwith had ZERO to do with football. That much anyone with a functioning brain could figure out.
Ohhhh, do explain.....!
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:33 am to monsterballads
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welters whiff against auburn was one of the last straws IMO
I agree with this. The Auburn game was a true testament to Welters limits. They knew things had to change to improve moving forward so they did.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:35 am to Double Oh
quote:Until we get an answer?
how many times are we going to go over this?
quote:Enquiring minds would like to know how the horse died.
You are beating a dead horse.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:46 pm to lsuhunt555
So......
Just a question.
We had a few transfers and casualties. Were they shown the door because they don't have the skills and ability? Or did they have academic issues or team compliance problems?
Because nobody is ready to step up tomorrow and be 2nd / 3rd string behind beckwith, and truly contribute.
Just a question.
We had a few transfers and casualties. Were they shown the door because they don't have the skills and ability? Or did they have academic issues or team compliance problems?
Because nobody is ready to step up tomorrow and be 2nd / 3rd string behind beckwith, and truly contribute.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:53 pm to lsupride87
Beckwith didn't start the first half of the year because he wasn't on our team - not the Beckwith you see today, anyway. We did have a guy on our team named Beckwith. He didn't know the plays. He didn't know what to do. They put him in for many plays, and we sucked. He had zero impact!
When it finally clicked, the coaches dumped Welter like a hot potato.
If you want to keep arguing about this please answer one question: Why did we suck when Beckwith was in the first half of the season? And don't say we didn't. There were many cases of long runs between the tackles without Beckwith getting a finger on the rusher.
When it finally clicked, the coaches dumped Welter like a hot potato.
If you want to keep arguing about this please answer one question: Why did we suck when Beckwith was in the first half of the season? And don't say we didn't. There were many cases of long runs between the tackles without Beckwith getting a finger on the rusher.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:01 pm to dstone12
Could it be that Miles uses these tendencies to stick with "his guy" in his recruiting when he meets with parents and prospects: "Our plans for you are for you to be our starting (insert position) in year 20XX no matter what." Then he lists examples of this commitment by pointing to Jennings, Jefferson and Welter. I'm pretty sure Chavis told miles if he didn't let him substitute in Beckwith as MLB that he'd resign. Chavis is Miles' bitch but he could only take so much. Chavis had to know the difference in talent was season changing.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:03 pm to Penrod
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When it finally clicked, the coaches dumped Welter like a hot potato.
it clicked because he finally began getting extensive reps
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:04 pm to lsupride87
Not reading all 7 pages, so maybe this has been brought up.
But, early in the season, Beckwith did not look any better than Welter.
Wisconsin, Miss St. and Auburn made both of them look bad.
Beckwith got better, Welter was already playing at his max potential. That has been the difference.
It really is not more complicated than that.
But, early in the season, Beckwith did not look any better than Welter.
Wisconsin, Miss St. and Auburn made both of them look bad.
Beckwith got better, Welter was already playing at his max potential. That has been the difference.
It really is not more complicated than that.
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