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re: Key to stopping Oregon's Offense?

Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 9:59 pm to
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It might be a game for a while but LSU is simply a more talented, physical team. No way Oregon wins this game.


I consider myself the greatest LSU fan on the planet. However, a healthy dose of realism might help comments like this.

I think there are three keys to the game:

1. DL play
2. Turnovers
3. QB play by LSU

If our Dline gets in the O backfield early and often, if we win the turnover battle and if our
QB plays reasonably well, we win.

Oregon has lots of talent, make no mistake about it. They will move the ball and they will score. Hopefully, we will minimize that and we will come out ready to play.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13425 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:11 pm to
Oregon's recruiting has spiked over recent years. The online will be a bunch of 4* guys in York, Cody, Weems, and Grasu/Amrstrong. The seniors that played last year were holdouts from another era at Oregon.

The middle of the dline will be stout. You don't get more elite talent than Ricky Heimuli. The kid had 21 offers, which included OU, Nebraska, USC, Michigan and Tennessee. However, more importantly the staff from Oregon, lots of multiple decade position coaches, are saying that Heimuli is as good as it gets. They've coached Haloti Ngata and Igor Olshansky, so they know elite. His partner in crime will be Wade Keliikipi and Urban Meyer started calling him "special K" during the spring game. So, I'll trust the coach's opinion of him.



This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 10:17 pm
Posted by JROLLA
Covington, La
Member since Jul 2008
223 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:18 pm to
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Oregon's recruiting has spiked over recent years. The online will be a bunch of 4* guys in York, Cody, Weems, and Grasu/Amrstrong. The seniors that played last year were holdouts from another era at Oregon.

The middle of the dline will be stout. You don't get more elite talent than Ricky Heimuli. The kid had 21 offers, wich included OU, Nebraska, USC, Michigan and Tennessee. However, more importantly the staff from Oregon, lots of multiple decade position coaches, are saying that Heimuli is as good as it gets. They've coached Haloti Ngata and Igor Olshansky, so they know elite. His partner in crime will be Wade Keliikipi and Urban Meyer started calling him "special K" during the spring game. So, I'll trust the coach's opinion of him.




Almost every player on our offensive line was a four or five star player and just because one of your defensive lineman did good against your new offensive line in the spring game and received a gay nick name from urban meyer proves nothing
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:20 pm to
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Oregon's recruiting has spiked over recent years.


I agree with this....just watch them play and it is obvious.

Should be a good game. Sure hope LSU wins but also hoping for a good game.

Chip has done a great job at Oregon, both in recruiting and coaching. He is using the talent as well as anyone can. His style of running 1.5 billion plays per game has paid off in wins.

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bisonduck


Good luck for the upcoming season.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:26 pm to
JROLLA, I am sure that is the case. My point is that our guys are not vastly inferior to LSU's. Oregon has averaged 16 and I am sure LSU is just right under 10 in rival's ranking the past 5 classes. Sure there is a talent difference but that talent at the highest level can be bridged by coaching and scheme. However, in of itself the talent is not vastly different.

As for the knickname, Urban watched the same spring game and if his comment is meaningless, it's also meaningless to judge a line mixed with walk-ons and threes.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 10:30 pm
Posted by JROLLA
Covington, La
Member since Jul 2008
223 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:29 pm to
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JROLLA, I am sure that is the case. My point is that our guys are not vastly inferior to LSU's. Oregon has averaged 16 and I am sure LSU is just right under 10 in rival's ranking the past 5 classes. Sure their is a talent game but that talent at the high of a level and can be bridged by coaching and scheme. However, in of itself the talent is not vastly different.



Yes but the fact that you are neglecting is that you have a much more difficult blocking scheme that your new offensive line built of 4 stars might not have perfected come game 1
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13425 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:33 pm to
What you are missing is that Asper 24 starts, York 24 starts, Weems 8 starts, Cody 1 start and key back up have all played a lot of meaningful time. We have 4/7 guys we've rotated the last two year that got us to BCS games. This is not a new line. Weems got more starts than backups last year. Asper is a 5th year senior, York a redshirt junior, Weems a redshirt junior, Cody a redshirt junior and Armstrong a redshirt sophmore. This line has learned the scheme. It will be about timing. Greatwood, oline coache of the year in '08, will have these boys ready.

With Nevis gone and Sheppard gone, how much are you guys replacing in the front seven? Is it just those two guys. I've heard Montgomery at DE thrown around but he was injured all of last year too.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 10:38 pm
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20360 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:40 pm to
the guy who just broke the national high school sack record is training right now. He might even be on our kickoff team. The battle of the unprovens is coming.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20136 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:41 pm to
Good thread AnnArborTiger.

I don't follow Oregon that closely but:
1) They may start slowly but I don't think you want to hang your hat on that, i.e., unforced blunders. With their QB returning they will probably get up to speed quickly.
2) My guess is we're marginally more talented. But even if not, I think we have enough talent to line up with anyone. Our talent won't be a problem.
3) Oregon's O is very similar to what AU/OM ran last year. And if their talent isn't on par with AU's, it's at worst comparable to OM's and with rare exception we didn't come close to stopping either.
4) So Chavis needs to change something scheme wise so that we DO dominate the LOS, and make OU play outside their comfort zone, win the down-n-distance skirmishes.
Posted by JROLLA
Covington, La
Member since Jul 2008
223 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:41 pm to
1) Scheme includes timing
2) You lost 3 starters on the line never good
3) Who the frick new there was even a offensive line coach of the year


Yes those are the only two replacements on the front seven






























This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 10:50 pm
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13425 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:50 pm to
The line was good but not great. You guys really deal in extremes like "vastly superior" and not good for a line that would more aptly be described as above average. I remember watching highlights of SEC quarterback getting injured by Fairley. The line was at least able to get 300+ throwing yards. I have said multiple times that I would bet money on LSU, so I am not as homer as it sounds but some of these comments are ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 10:51 pm
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13425 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:54 pm to
Was Levingston a starter from last year that graduated?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 11:08 pm to
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Key to stopping Oregon's Offense?
Middle Pressure. (See BCS Title Game)

Edge pressure helps, but will get "ate up" by UO's draw game. (See USC)

If you can get consistent penetration up the middle, their offense is effectively neutralized.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 11:15 pm to
All that said. . .if UO could develop a good roll out passing game, they could compensate by moving the pocket.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 11:16 pm
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 5/6/11 at 11:57 pm to
quote:

With Nevis gone and Sheppard gone, how much are you guys replacing in the front seven? Is it just those two guys. I've heard Montgomery at DE thrown around but he was injured all of last year too.



Starting line will be

DE Sam Montgomery
DT Michael Brockers
DT Josh Downs
DE Ken Adams

Montgomery and Adams are returning starters. Lavar Edwards replaced Montgomery as starter when he went out last year, and he will rotate in on both sides of the line. Mingo is another DE we rotate in and he has 4.4 speed at 240 lbs. The freshman 5-star, Anthony "The Freak" Johnson will rotate in at DT.

LBers will be

OLB Baker (ret.)
MLB Minter
OLB Francois (ret.)

Key here is not talent but leadership. Shep was the leader.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 11:58 pm
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:01 am to
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Was Levingston a starter from last year that graduated?


Yes. He was a one year starter, 5th year senior, and converted DE. Not the most talented guy but paid his dues and earned a nominal starting role in his last year. Downs and Brockers both rotated in a lot. We went 4 deep at DT and 5 deep at DE last year.
Posted by KennesawTiger
Your's mom's house
Member since Dec 2006
8007 posts
Posted on 5/7/11 at 2:52 am to
quote:

Key to stopping Oregon's Offense?


Gap. Discipline. Rarely a strength of any LSU defense.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62439 posts
Posted on 5/7/11 at 3:41 am to
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Who the frick new there was even a offensive line coach of the year


Certainly not Studrawa.
Posted by Leonides
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
1270 posts
Posted on 5/7/11 at 9:39 am to
Bison Duck, the LSU defensive depth chart is as follows:

DE - Sam Montgomery, Lavar Edwards, Kendrick Adams, Barkevious Mingo, Chancey Aghayere, Justin Maclin, Jemuria Rasco (The first 6 will see playing time; Rasco will be redshirted)

DT - Michael Brockers, Josh Downs, Freak Johnson, Ego Ferguson, Bennie Logan, Quinton Thomas, and Mickey Johnson (The first 5 will see playing time; Thomas and/or Johnson may depending upon injuries or their ability)

WLB - Stefan Francois, Lamin Barrow, Karnell Hatcher (Francois is the starter; all 3 will see playing time)

MLB - Kevin Minter, Luke Muncie, and Trevon Randle (Minter should start; Muncie should see playing time; Randle will probably redshirt)

SLB - Ryan Baker, Tahj Jones, D.J. Welter (Baker will start; Jones will see the field at various points)

CB - Morris Claiborne, Tharold Simon, Tyrann Mathieu, Ron Brooks, Ronnie Vinson, Derrick Bryant, Ryan St. Julien, Jalen Collins, Micah Eugene (the first 4 will see the bulk of the playing time and are as good as any CB's in the country; the rest are lettermen with the exception of Collins and Eugene who are true freshman)

SS - Brandon Taylor, Eric Reid, Karnell Hatcher, Josh Johns, and Sam Gibson (Taylor is the starter but the first 3 will see the field a lot; Hatcher will shuffle between SS and WLB)

FS - Craig Loston, David Jenkins, Ronald Martin (Loston will probably start; the other two guys are true freshmen; expect Chavis to move one of the CB's with experience to this position for depth, someone like Ron Brooks)

With the exception of MLB and FS, LSU has a lot of depth and experience at every position. Some LSU fans are worried about defensive tackle. However, I think DT will be a strength on defense.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 9:42 am
Posted by Leonides
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
1270 posts
Posted on 5/7/11 at 9:49 am to
The matchup is about 2 completely different styles of football. An Auburn fan posted earlier that your defensive coordinator deserved credit for coming up with great schemes to to contain Cam Newton and the Auburn offense. I don't agree with that assessment. I thought Malzahn of Auburn called an extremely poor game in that Oregon played with 3 lineman on the line of scrimmage and had 8 playing off the line, having 2 men spy Cam Newton. And rather than run the football, Malzahn chose to call over 30 passes, which was completely out of character in terms of what Auburn had done all year offensively.

If you employ that defensive strategy against LSU, then you are not going to see LSU throw the ball over 30 times as Auburn did. LSU is going to line up and run the ball between the tackles, eat clock and move the chains thereby keeping your offense on the bench.
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 9:51 am
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