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re: Just lost all respect for Greg McElroy as an analyst!
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:44 am to Tigerbyte123
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:44 am to Tigerbyte123
Never had any respect. Remember when Les shamed him and he ate it for riding Saban’s cock and deriding Les.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 9:46 am to Tigerbyte123
quote:So he is admitting there is a double standard when it comes to penalties and Bama, then yes I agree there certainly is.
Mr. McElroy, most fans, LSU or not, don’t think the poor call was a conspiracy to advantage Alabama in the upcoming game but a double standard where similiar calls don’t go against Bama!
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:08 am to Tigerbyte123
It is more surprising that you ever had respect for McElroy (or Spears for that matter) as a football commentator. Both are more interested in praising Saban than actual football talk and always have been.
Marcus was particularly funny this weekend as he defended the call as "the right call based on the rule" because he "had someone explain it to him".
Marcus was particularly funny this weekend as he defended the call as "the right call based on the rule" because he "had someone explain it to him".
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:10 am to Tigerbyte123
I like McRoy, but he is wrong on this one..
these guys are human, I doubt he took the time to look at it closely.
I asked a high school coach of 30 years to check it, he said, it didn't look like targeting ...he also said he's old school and thinks football is being watered down
these guys are human, I doubt he took the time to look at it closely.
I asked a high school coach of 30 years to check it, he said, it didn't look like targeting ...he also said he's old school and thinks football is being watered down
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:13 am to offshoretrash
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He's partly right, DW should not have been in the game.
As unlikely as a comeback was for State, it was still just a two score game with the two-point conversions.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:13 am to Tigerbyte123
He's not an analyst he's a Bamalyst.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:26 am to Tigerbyte123
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a stupid play with 3 mins left in game
Was it? Are we supposed to stop playing football and let Miss State back into it to avoid having a referee make an ill advised call, followed by a sham "review" by a fan of our next opponent who benefits greatly if all he does is let the call stand?
White's play led to a turnover. Fitzgerald is the greatest running QB in SEC history. You have to tackle him.
McElroy likely got a text from the SEC with talking points on this one.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:27 am to BugAC
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Here's the thing. By the "letter of the law", technically it was targeting.
Quote the law to me. Please. Because you are wrong. Here is the "law". White did not do any of the things in note 1, which need to happen for targeting to be called. His initial contact was also not to the head. Not all helmet to helmet contact is targeting.
No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
LINK
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:31 am to Macavity92
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:42 am to Tigerbyte123
He’s right, you know.
If Devin would have pulled up, he’d be playing in the first quarter.
If Devin would have pulled up, he’d be playing in the first quarter.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:42 am to taf
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This is true, but that doesn't make it targeting. The targeting rule doesn't say "any contact." It says "forcible contact." The put that qualifier in there for a reason. It looks to me that he made forcible contact with the QBs chest, not head and neck area. The face mask came forward, resulting in incidental contact.
All of this is correct
To be targeting, the rule requires that the forcible contact be to the head or neck area. The forcible contact occurs with the body part that leads. He lead with his hands and forearms to the chest area.
There are other indicators of targeting that do not apply here.
The fact that he was defenseless is just another precursor to calling targeting, but after that is met, the other test is that there is an indicator of targeting, it is required. they do not provide an exhaustive list, but of the indicators listed, the only one that is close is the one above, which I don’t believe it satisfies based on where the “forcible” contact was delivered.
So to the letter of the rule, it actually doesn’t signal targeting, and is thus ruled targeting by the subjective and undefined part of the rule.
SEC gave a poor explanation. The rule book is free to download online.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:45 am to BugAC
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Stop being a homer for a second and be rational.
Looking at it rationally...as others have stated, the rule doesn't say "contact," it says "forcible contact." Can you rationally look at White's tackle and say that the facemasks touched forcibly? No. It was incidental contact after he tackled him with a hand to the chest and one around his back. So rationally, technically, any other -ally, it's not targeting, and if the replay official spent more than 8 seconds reviewing more than one angle, he would have seen that.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 1:43 pm to Tigerbyte123
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He just said on ESPN Radio that Whites hit was a stupid play with 3 mins left in game. He stated he hates it for LSU fans but not the conspiracy theorists.
I know that's not a popular opinion on this board, but I bet Devin White wishes he could have that hit back. Most people here have said it was probably roughing the passer. Making that decision at that point in the game isn't the smartest thing to do, and it unfortunately left the door open for this abomination of a call.
Now, that's not to say White is guilty of targeting, but nothing good was going to come out of that late hit regardless.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 2:05 pm to BugAC
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His facemask clearly catches the bottom right hand side of Fitzgerald's facemask. He was leading with his hands, but his facemask did make contact.
The type of contact between face masks which occurred between White and Fitgerald occurs on virtually every play during blocking or tackles on inside runs.
There was nothing to qualify it as targeting other than the absolute most strictest letter of the law and even that is in significant question. With the speed of teh game the ref migh tbe excused if that is waht he saw by his angle. However, the review panel should have immediately overruled it.
The ref on the field may have only called roughing the passer, again a very questionable call. Which makes it even more egregious if the reviewer then inserted himself and so quickly called the targeting.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:47 pm to cas4t
quote:I agree it's not an orchestrated conspiracy, but it isn't random either. It's organized bias.
Dude, get a grip. There is no orchestrated conspiracy.
It happens all of the time. I've personally witnessed it in action. It happens with LHSAA regularly.
When the refereeing community becomes overly populated by former alum and fans of a particular school, it just happens, the same way there is pervasive/implicit bias in the media or any other like minded group. There may be a few bad eggs who are knowingly trying to tilt the scales, but the majority I'm sure aren't even aware of it.
Over time it gets worse because like minded people tend to hire and like working with each other.
Just because it's not a conspiracy, doesn't mean that it isn't a big problem though. It also doesn't mean that the original process of stacking the officiating deck started randomly.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:54 pm to Tigerbyte123
Not a big fan of his but will say Mark Packer disagrees with him.
This is a rule with so much inconsistency and the consequences can be devastating for a team on someone’s subjective call, regardless of whether that call is wrong or right. Sad that such an important call is all over the map in college football.
This is a rule with so much inconsistency and the consequences can be devastating for a team on someone’s subjective call, regardless of whether that call is wrong or right. Sad that such an important call is all over the map in college football.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:58 pm to Tigerbyte123
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Mr. McElroy, most fans, LSU or not, don’t think the poor call was a conspiracy to advantage Alabama in the upcoming game but a double standard where similiar calls don’t go against Bama!
THIS
Time to move SEC Office, complete restaffing, enough is enough
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 10/22/18 at 5:59 pm to Tigerbyte123
quote:100% false. NS wants the win. He couldn't care less about the method. Saban had the opportunity to say what you claim he believes. He didn't. Saban is garbage!
Most fans know that Nick Saban wants to play against the best.
Posted on 10/22/18 at 6:02 pm to BugAC
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His facemask clearly catches the bottom right hand side of Fitzgerald's facemask. He was leading with his hands, but his facemask did make contact. Stop being a homer for a second and be rational.
How bout fuq u instead? Works for me
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