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re: Josh Dworacyzk Admits to Using Poor Technique vs Auburn
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:16 pm to Maximus
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:16 pm to Maximus
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14:16 2nd quarter - Josh D pretends he is in a walkthrough and down blocks on the invisible man. #90 Gabe Wright comes right off his shoulder and makes the tackle in the backfield. 8:41 2nd quarter - Josh D pancakes the invisible man. Hilliard tackled for a loss inside the 5 yard line. 7:26 2nd - 3rd and 1. Lemoiner blows JD up in the backfield. Ford has to wait for Copeland to block Lemoiner since JD couldn't be bothered with all that. Ford tackled for no gain. LSU has to punt. 14:07 3rd quarter - Josh D completely whiffs on Lemoiner. Ware is forced to waste 2 seconds juking him in the backfield and bounce outside. Ware tackled for a loss. 12:30 3rd - 3rd and 3. Josh D again destroys an invisible defensive lineman while letting real defensive linemen and linebackers free to tackle Ware for no gain.
I gotta give it to you man...you are good...after I vowed never to address you again, you have sucked me in. But I'm sorry I just can't let your vitriol, stupidity and lack of football acumen go unchallenged.
For the rest of you, just remember one simple rule, when Maximus makes a claim it is wrong AND stupid.
I will now explain the plays from the perspective of someone who understands line play and football in general...which Maximus does not.
So here goes, on play number one on your list. #90 is lined up nose to nose with Lael Collins. JD's responsibility is to get to the second level. On the snap the tackle slants to the outside of JD's left shoulder with the intent of screwing up the blocking scheme. It worked perfectly, Collins whiffed on his reach attempt, and hit no one (but Collins gets a pass by Max since he doesn't help make his point) JD is caught offguard by the slant and only gets a shoulder on Wright, he ends up making the tackle. Basically Auburns DC guessed on the play and slanted the right way and won the battle...it happens.
Maximus shows his TRUE colors on this next one. LSU lined up with both Jacobs and Clement outside of JD. Everyone, including JD downblocked with JD making contact with #98...who is only invisible if you don't want to see him. The OLB #25, was lined up OUTSIDE of both Jacobs and Clement and neither of them even attempted to block him..perhaps he was intended for Copeland...whatever the case he was left free and made the tackle on Hilliard. If this is an example for Maximus of a play that JD failed on, he is waaaay dumber than I thought.
I'm stopping here as this post is already too long and I do want people to read it. It was as I expected, Maximus lets his hatred of all things LSU and Les Miles color his perspective...not to mention his lack of football knowledge. Don't belive it? Go back and just watch those two plays from above and see how my description of them differs from his and see what you think. Make sure you watch the slow motion replays of the plays and take note of the presnap lineup...where the play was intended to run...and what the defense did on the snap. No lineman wins every battle during the game, a grade of 85% or so is generally considered to be pretty good. Lemonier is a very good DE and JD did ok against him.
JD is NOT an elite LT and never will be, he's just ok...but he is NOT nearly as bad as the clueless haters are making him out to be.
As for you Maximus...just stop dude or I will make this threat to you...I will follow you around this forum and break down every lying thread you make and humiliate you. I am waaaay smarter than you and know alot more about football than you AND I LOVE LSU. Love always beats hate.Why don't you try just for once to love your school and PULL for them? You might even like it. The only people you have any credibility with are those that don't know any more than you. Wouldn't you rather have your opinion be respected by true football experts? Why don't you take time out from your dumb posts, go out on the net and read some technical football books, and then watch some games with a critical eye and LEARN SOMETHING!
Just because you were born a dumbass doesn't mean you have to stay one....even chimpanzees can learn.
This post was edited on 9/25/12 at 12:24 pm
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:18 pm to lsuexpert57
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lsuexpert57
nah. Max is right.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:19 pm to lsuexpert57
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lsuexpert57
that was an unnecessary post.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:22 pm to lsuexpert57
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:22 pm to ProjectP2294
How hard is it to trust our coaches' decisions that they make based on watching these young men on a daily basis?
I usually tend to enjoy the show that's put on the field and leave it that. Sometimes I want to punch somebody. But, I get out of that mode soon!
I usually tend to enjoy the show that's put on the field and leave it that. Sometimes I want to punch somebody. But, I get out of that mode soon!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:29 pm to That One
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How hard is it to trust our coaches' decisions that they make based on watching these young men on a daily basis?
Why even come to a message board with this shite-tastic approach? If you only ever trust that every decision they make is the right one, there is no room for any type of discussion. The coaches are not infallible. Some things need to be questioned.
If you want to believe what you state, that's fine. But it's a terrible way of approaching discussion because it starts out from a stance that no matter what is discussed, everyone in the discussion is wrong.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:33 pm to GFunk
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Instead, we're gonna keep doing what we're doing, expecting a different result
Isn't that the definition of insanity?
He looked like a turnstile at a crowded stadium. Surely there are better options.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:44 pm to lsuexpert57
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lsuexpert57
Thanks for the further review. If others don't, I appreciate it.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:47 pm to jtran1988
quote:So we "fans" can shite all over an underachieving player, but garbage posting rantards are off limits?
that was an unnecessary post.
That might have been the most necessary post in this rotten arse thread.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:53 pm to AlwysATgr
That was some real ownage
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:53 pm to ProjectP2294
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Why even come to a message board with this shite-tastic approach? If you only ever trust that every decision they make is the right one, there is no room for any type of discussion. The coaches are not infallible. Some things need to be questioned.
Its HOW the questions are posed. We all, at times, second guess the coaches. Thats part of the fun of being a fan. But when you start off from the position that the problem "du jour" is because the coaching staff is "totally clueless" and in your spare time from your job cooking fries you can clearly see a better path...thats where the problem starts.
Question the coaches? Sure. But this..."JD isn't a LT, why can't the coaches see that? Why are they too stupid to move Collins to T or Alexander?"
First you should assume that there are things that you don't know about the situation. You should assume that the coaches have a lot more information, things you will likely never know about. Then search for those other reasons and speculate about what they might be. Search for the reason that your well paid, experienced staff has for making its decision.
Sure, the coaches make mistakes, but when posters come on here and claim it is the coaches making the mistake EVERY time. It is the poster who is more likely to be wrong.
So all we are saying is come to the board with your concerns and questions, but frame them in a reasonable and logical manner, not like a hysterical child. Its not that hard!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:58 pm to lsuexpert57
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in your spare time from your job cooking fries
At least you aren't letting your own advice of:
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frame them in a reasonable and logical manner, not like a hysterical child. Its not that hard!
get in the way of trying to throw around personal insults.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:06 pm to BRTIIGER58
I'm telling you it's way more than a technique issue with Dworaczyk.
It's MOSTLY PHYSICAL. It was the same thing at guard for two years.
There is a surefire way to test this and it will happen after the season. Pay attention to what NFL scouts say about him.
I guarantee you it won't be much. And it's not just because he had an injury. There was not a hint of draft buzz about him when he was playing guard at a school where backups get drafted. And all you had to do was focus in on his play to see it. Most people gloss over the O-line play. But if you specifically watched JD, you saw him being handled physically at the point of attack, even against lesser competition. That doesn't always mean giving up a sack. We see that's an issue now that he's out there playing LT, but when he was inside, you could see him consistently giving up ground when he was engaged in contact, being pushed into the backfield, etc.
The NFL has no bias. And they are willing to overlook technical issues on guys that they think have potential to improve the team. If you can produce and be of value to the organization, they want you.
Miles and the staff have made good personnel decisions, like moving Johnson and Copeland to fullback. Somebody on the staff has done an excellent job at eying under the radar recruits to bring to LSU, especially in the defensive backfield. Playing Dworaczyk at left tackle is a mistake. It's not hard to figure out. There are better options and at some point in the future it will be obvious.
JD seems like a good guy and a good teammate. It's unfortunate that he's put in this position.
It's MOSTLY PHYSICAL. It was the same thing at guard for two years.
There is a surefire way to test this and it will happen after the season. Pay attention to what NFL scouts say about him.
I guarantee you it won't be much. And it's not just because he had an injury. There was not a hint of draft buzz about him when he was playing guard at a school where backups get drafted. And all you had to do was focus in on his play to see it. Most people gloss over the O-line play. But if you specifically watched JD, you saw him being handled physically at the point of attack, even against lesser competition. That doesn't always mean giving up a sack. We see that's an issue now that he's out there playing LT, but when he was inside, you could see him consistently giving up ground when he was engaged in contact, being pushed into the backfield, etc.
The NFL has no bias. And they are willing to overlook technical issues on guys that they think have potential to improve the team. If you can produce and be of value to the organization, they want you.
Miles and the staff have made good personnel decisions, like moving Johnson and Copeland to fullback. Somebody on the staff has done an excellent job at eying under the radar recruits to bring to LSU, especially in the defensive backfield. Playing Dworaczyk at left tackle is a mistake. It's not hard to figure out. There are better options and at some point in the future it will be obvious.
JD seems like a good guy and a good teammate. It's unfortunate that he's put in this position.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:09 pm to inadaze
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It's MOSTLY PHYSICAL. It was the same thing at guard for two years.
His ballerina legs never worked at guard either. The only thing he's been good for is late hits during the Alabama game.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:09 pm to inadaze
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Miles and the staff have made good personnel decisions, like moving Johnson and Copeland to fullback. Somebody on the staff has done an excellent job at eying under the radar recruits to bring to LSU, especially in the defensive backfield. Playing Dworaczyk at left tackle is a mistake. It's not hard to figure out. There are better options and at some point in the future it will be obvious.
JD seems like a good guy and a good teammate. It's unfortunate that he's put in this position.
Perfect.
Absolute gospel right here.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:14 pm to inadaze
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I'm telling you it's way more than a technique issue with Dworaczyk.
It's MOSTLY PHYSICAL. It was the same thing at guard for two years.
There is a surefire way to test this and it will happen after the season. Pay attention to what NFL scouts say about him.
I guarantee you it won't be much. And it's not just because he had an injury. There was not a hint of draft buzz about him when he was playing guard at a school where backups get drafted. And all you had to do was focus in on his play to see it. Most people gloss over the O-line play. But if you specifically watched JD, you saw him being handled physically at the point of attack, even against lesser competition. That doesn't always mean giving up a sack. We see that's an issue now that he's out there playing LT, but when he was inside, you could see him consistently giving up ground when he was engaged in contact, being pushed into the backfield, etc.
The NFL has no bias. And they are willing to overlook technical issues on guys that they think have potential to improve the team. If you can produce and be of value to the organization, they want you.
Miles and the staff have made good personnel decisions, like moving Johnson and Copeland to fullback. Somebody on the staff has done an excellent job at eying under the radar recruits to bring to LSU, especially in the defensive backfield. Playing Dworaczyk at left tackle is a mistake. It's not hard to figure out. There are better options and at some point in the future it will be obvious.
JD seems like a good guy and a good teammate. It's unfortunate that he's put in this position.
+1
This is the definition of a perfect post. 100% accurate.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:17 pm to lsuexpert57
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So here goes, on play number one on your list. #90 is lined up nose to nose with Lael Collins
you know how I know you didn't really re-watch the game? This is a flat out lie. Typical.
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Collins whiffed on his reach attempt, and hit no one (but Collins gets a pass by Max since he doesn't help make his point) JD is caught offguard by the slant and only gets a shoulder on Wright, he ends up making the tackle. Basically Auburns DC guessed on the play and slanted the right way and won the battle...it happens.
so you are saying they lined up the DE head up with the guard, then he goes all the way around Josh D's outside shoulder which confuses Josh D to the point that he does nothing but push him into the RB after being beat?
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Maximus shows his TRUE colors on this next one. LSU lined up with both Jacobs and Clement outside of JD. Everyone, including JD downblocked with JD making contact with #98
false again
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I'm stopping here
good move
I'd love to hear you blame the 3rd play on Copeland, the 4th on Ware and so on.
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As for you Maximus...just stop dude or I will make this threat to you...I will follow you around this forum and break down every lying thread you make and humiliate you. I am waaaay smarter than you and know alot more about football than you AND I LOVE LSU. Love always beats hate.Why don't you try just for once to love your school and PULL for them? You might even like it. The only people you have any credibility with are those that don't know any more than you. Wouldn't you rather have your opinion be respected by true football experts? Why don't you take time out from your dumb posts, go out on the net and read some technical football books, and then watch some games with a critical eye and LEARN SOMETHING!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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At least you aren't letting your own advice of:
My "advice" is only for others. Because I have been declared the "God" of the TD forum by popular opinion (or maybe just by myself..I forget)I get to play by different rules.
Its good to be da King!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:21 pm to AlwysATgr
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AlwysATgr
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Thanks for the further review. If others don't, I appreciate it.
IN.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:23 pm to inadaze
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JD seems like a good guy and a good teammate. It's unfortunate that he's put in this position.
The only way to avoid this situation is to be able to recruit proven high OL for the starters and backups.
The issue with that though is that OL is the least predictable position for proven transition from high school to college and the highest number of misses happens at that position.
An injury or two is enough to change the nature of the line as it did this year with Faulk.
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