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re: Jorge Munoz is still a candidate for PGC - Per O on Off the Bench
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:23 pm to Magician2
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:23 pm to Magician2
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I personally love all of the posters that feel comfortable riding solely with E “because he has the playbook now”. He’s not getting any younger and he’s not innovative (hence why we hired Brady).
He even admitted Brady called all of the plays in the red zone. Have you seen our numbers from this year?
Fact- he’s been an OC before and never had much success - look at last years offense.
Everything I stated is objectively correct. However I love E and want him on this staff in some capacity but O seriously needs to hire another bright young innovative offensive guy to be up there with E.
I personally love all of the posters that think O is just going to completely forget what just created the best offense in the history of college football.
You want Ensminger around because he's the guy actually teaching our QBs.
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:26 pm to Magician2
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Specifically point out where I said reassigned? He can still be OC but he needs help in the booth.
Is this specific enough?:
"However I love E and want him on this staff in some capacity"
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=88294921&s=2&p=88291700#88294921
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:29 pm to Tiger Ree
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Is this specific enough?:
"However I love E and want him on this staff in some capacity"
...... as in still OC with a PGC or Co-OC.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:38 pm to Nutriaitch
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well Baylor officially announced him as their WR coach.
Temple announced Manny Diaz as their HC not that long ago.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:40 pm to Magician2
What SE actually said was Brady called plays once they got to the 12 yard line.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:44 pm to des4271
Tigers had plenty plenty more first and second downs than third down. Remember one SEC head coach couldn't believe how few third down plays LSU had when he went to view tigers third down offense.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:52 pm to MightyYat
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You want Ensminger around because he's the guy actually teaching our QBs.
Burrow was a 57% passer under E until Brady came along lol
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:08 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow was a 57% passer under E until Brady came along lol
The next QB Brady coaches will be the first.
He has never played or coached the position.
He certainly brought a scheme that was perfect for Burrow, but actual QB coaching? Nah.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:10 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow was a 57% passer under E until Brady came along lol
There are other factors there. Our WRs dropped way to many passes last year. Plus, the passing game wasn’t really set up for high-percentage passes. This season, we incorporated more high-percentage passes AND our WR corps drop rate significantly dropped. That last part had a lot to do with Brady because he did a lot of work with WRs. But, the point is that it’s not really fair to pin the previous years drops on Burtow and Ensminger, only.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow was a 57% passer under E until Brady came along lol
And until the freshmen receivers became sophomores
Until the offensive line became the best in the nation
Until Ja'Marr Chase became the Biletnikoff Award winner
Until Jeaux had more than a month to work with the team preseseason
Until CEH became the starting running back
Until CEH rushed for the third most yards in a single season in school history
Until CEH became a consensus first team All-SEC selection at running back and was named second team by the league's coaches as an all-purpose performer
Did I mention the offensive line becoming the best Oline in the country?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:14 pm to HoopyD
quote:Well if we're gonna say that much, so is plucking members off the staff you just left (Aranda).
I would think accepting a job only to turn change your mind later would be frowned upon
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow was a 57% passer under E until Brady came along lol
Brady did not spend a single second with Burrow working on progressions, footwork, reading defenses, etc.
It's crazy how much credit is getting put on Brady when we had Burrow out there making Playstation plays. Do you think LSU's offense looks the way it did this year with Anthony Jennings or Andrew Hatch at QB, Lester?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:16 pm to MightyYat
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Brady did not spend a single second with Burrow working on progressions, footwork, reading defenses, etc.
I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and say this is false
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It's crazy how much credit is getting put on Brady when we had Burrow out there making Playstation plays. Do you think LSU's offense looks the way it did this year with Anthony Jennings or Andrew Hatch at QB, Lester
A lot of people make this mistake, but to clarify it is possible for 2 people to be great at the same time
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:21 pm to wildtigercat93
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I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and say this is false
Nope. It was Ensminger and Munoz. Brady has never coached a QB in his life. I was at the walk through in Atlanta and at the Dome with my nephew who is a former player and Brady was always working with the WRs, showing them the options on each route, working on depth, etc. Ensminger and Munoz were always in the backfield around Burrow.
Brady deserves a ton of credit but none of it happens without Burrow's development.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The next QB Brady coaches will be the first.
He has never played or coached the position.
He certainly brought a scheme that was perfect for Burrow, but actual QB coaching? Nah.
There’s no stand alone evidence that Ensminger is a good quarterback coach. He had Burrow last year, in his own offense, mind you, and it made everyone’s eyes bleed.
It’s fair to question what exactly he knows about offense & coaching when one large variable changed & suddenly birthed the best offense in college football history.
Ensminger is just kinda there at this point. I think 2019 proved that while he can “teach” QBs, he had very little grasp on modern Quartebacking. Whereas coaches like Munoz & Brady led the charge on this front.
Yes I do think joe Brady can teach QBs. You think all his concepts of this offense were simply taught thru WR play? lol wut? I guarantee Burrow learned a whole lot more about QB’ing from Brady than E. Look at the results, look at the big variable that change. This is very easily deducible.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:23 pm to MightyYat
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I was at the walk through in Atlanta and at the Dome with my nephew who is a former player and Brady was always working with the WRs, showing them the options on each route, working on depth, etc. Ensminger and Munoz were always in the backfield around Burrow.
That doesn’t qualify your statement at all.
Given how much he had to do with implementation and design, it would be ridiculous if he’s never discussed progression or anything else QB related. That’s just silly.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:24 pm to Lester Earl
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Yes I do think joe Brady can teach QBs. You think all his concepts of this offense were simply taught thru WR play? lol wut? I guarantee Burrow learned a whole lot more about QB’ing from Brady than E. Look at the results, look at the big variable that change. This is very easily deducible.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:26 pm to MightyYat
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I was at the walk through in Atlanta and at the Dome with my nephew who is a former player and Brady was always working with the WRs
You saw about 1% of the total process.
At the very end, at that.
That’s pretty meaningless.
To think Brady didn’t spend hours & days in the film room with Burrow going over this offense is just ignorant
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
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You saw about 1% of the total process.
At the very end, at that.
That’s pretty meaningless.
To think Brady didn’t spend hours & days in the film room with Burrow going over this offense is just ignorant
Right but Ensminger and Munoz were in the room too. Munoz broke down every defensive pressure package for Burrow this year. Ensminger taught him how to recognize the mike in every alignment.
I'm forever grateful for what Brady did this year but you're just as ignorant if you don't think Ensminger and Munoz deserve as much credit.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:37 pm to MightyYat
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Right but Ensminger and Munoz were in the room too.
All learning from Brady????
Come on, you even said it yourself
What the hell can E teach burrow about an offense he had no clue about
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Ensminger taught him how to recognize the mike in every alignment.
Bruh, Burrow is a 23yr old 5th year SR. He learned this about 12 years ago lol.
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but you're just as ignorant if you don't think Ensminger and Munoz deserve as much credit.
I’m not pulling any credit from Munoz. He clearly had a defined role that he excelled at.
E is basically a figure head tho.
Guys, it’s ok to say. No one is pulling your fan card from you.
Giving him credit for someone else’s brilliance is not something I’m wired to do.
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