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re: Jorge Munoz is still a candidate for PGC - Per O on Off the Bench
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:39 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:39 pm to MightyYat
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Right but Ensminger and Munoz were in the room too.
Goal posts officially moved
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Brady did not spend a single second with Burrow working on progressions, footwork, reading defenses, etc.
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:44 pm to Lester Earl
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There’s no stand alone evidence that Ensminger is a good quarterback coach. He had Burrow last year, in his own offense, mind you, and it made everyone’s eyes bleed.
Yep, the QB who had been on campus for a short time before the season started with 2 freshmen receivers and a RB that probably wasn't the best ever at LSU.
Finished #6 in the nation's final rankings made my eyes bleed because I was laughing so hard at the moron haters. #6 mind you. Just horrible man.
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one large variable changed
Was it the QB being in his 2nd year?
Was it the QB having more than a month to work with the offense?
Was it the Billetnikoff Award winning WR now being a sophomore instead of a freshman?
Was it the offensive line being the best offensive line in the nation this season?
Was it CEH blasting on the scene and being the best RB in the nation?
Yeah, sorry I forget and feel pretty bad about it. What was the one large variable that changed again?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
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All learning from Brady????
I can't even..................
Do you really think a guy that spent 1 year as a GA at Penn St and 1 year as an analyst for the Saints just came in started teaching Ensminger and Munoz about football? What Brady brought in was not "Joe Brady's offense." He brought Sean Payton's offense. You had interviews of Brees saying he could tell you what plays were called when he'd watch LSU games.
Again, LSU needed Brady to implement some concepts but if Ensminger and Munoz aren't there do you think it looks the same? Do you think it looks the same if Brandon Harris is the QB?
I can't wait to see what happens when LSU still has a wide open offense next year and Brady is sitting on a 6-10 Panthers staff.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:58 pm to MightyYat
Would you still be this skeptical of Brady’s abilities if he had stayed on staff?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:59 pm to HoopyD
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I would think accepting a job only to turn change your mind later would be frowned upon in the coaching world and would come back to haunt him.
Bill Belichick would tend to disagree.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 1:59 pm to MightyYat
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Do you really think a guy that spent 1 year as a GA at Penn St and 1 year as an analyst for the Saints just came in started teaching Ensminger and Munoz about football? What Brady brought in was not "Joe Brady's offense." He brought Sean Payton's offense. You had interviews of Brees saying he could tell you what plays were called when he'd watch LSU games.
Lol I don’t care who’s offense it was.
100% unequivocally yes I know Brady came in and taught Ensminger this offense.
Munoz was much more familiar with the concepts. You keep mentioning him like I am taking credit away from him. I haven’t once.
E had no clue. His results in 18’ spoke for itself.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:01 pm to MightyYat
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Again, LSU needed Brady to implement some concepts but if Ensminger and Munoz aren't there do you think it looks the same? Do you think it looks the same if Brandon Harris is the QB?
Some concepts? Lol wtf
Brandon Harris sucked of course it wouldn’t be the same, what kind of dumb question is that
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:04 pm to LSU615
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O said they still may bring Munoz back Munoz May Come Back to LSU
What's puzzling to me. If you knew he was such a big part of what you guys did offensively, than why wasn't he detained from the very beginning? The hottest coach in the country leaves for the NFL. Your DC leaves for a HC Job, and you don't make sure Munoz stays on board?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:06 pm to wildtigercat93
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Would you still be this skeptical of Brady’s abilities if he had stayed on staff?
No one is skeptical of Brady’s abilities. He’s an awesome coach. But he’s not a QB coach and never has been. He’s never played or coached the position, nor has he ever claimed to.
It simply was not his area of expertise or responsibility. To say otherwise is to be completely dishonest.
Ensminger, assisted by Munoz, coached quarterbacks at LSU. That’s an unarguable fact.
Certainly Brady’s offense helped Burrow, along with better play on the line and at the skill positions.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No one is skeptical of Brady’s abilities.
You might want to read the post that I responded to. If that’s not skepticism idk what is.
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He’s an awesome coach. But he’s not a QB coach and never has been. He’s never played or coached the position, nor has he ever claimed to.
And I never claimed he was the QB coach. But the person I was engaging with stated he has ZERO involvement with the QB room, which is silly.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
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Some concepts? Lol wtf
Brandon Harris sucked of course it wouldn’t be the same, what kind of dumb question is that
In the Brennan highlight video they showed some clips from 2017. There were absolutely some spread concept plays being run but the o-line kept getting our QBs killed. E didn't know how to throw his way out of that so he kept having to revert back to max-protect.
I'm not saying Brady deserves no credit. He got all the credit he deserved. But to act like Ensminger is just Weekend and Bernie'ing his way around the program is asinine.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:09 pm to wildtigercat93
Of course as PGC, he was probably in every QB meeting. So were other coaches.
I’m speaking of coaching QBs from a pure skill level: throwing motion, footwork, etc.
I’m speaking of coaching QBs from a pure skill level: throwing motion, footwork, etc.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
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E had no clue. His results in 18’ spoke for itself.
More like they show that he had a QB who had NEVER started a college football game.
More like he had 2 starting WR's who were true freshmen and had never started a college football game.
More like he had an RB who had never started a game and probably never will again.
More like he had an Oline riddled with injuries, arrests and suspensions.
More like even though he was combating all that he still provided the offense that helped the LSU football program finish as the 6th best team in the nation.
And yes he definitely has a clue and the 2018 results do speak for themselves and give insight into the 2019 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:13 pm to Tiger Ree
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More like they show that he had a QB who had NEVER started a college football game.
More like he had 2 starting WR's who were true freshmen and had never started a college football game.
More like he had an RB who had never started a game and probably never will again.
More like he had an Oline riddled with injuries, arrests and suspensions.
More like even though he was combating all that he still provided the offense that helped the LSU football program finish as the 6th best team in the nation.
And yes he definitely has a clue and the 2018 results do speak for themselves and give insight into the 2019 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
Show us his stats when he was OC at Texas AM and Clemson
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I’m speaking of coaching QBs from a pure skill level: throwing motion, footwork, etc.
The guy I was directing my comments to specifically mentioned progressions and concepts within the offense and claimed Brady has zero to do with that.
That is what I was arguing against.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:19 pm to MightyYat
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Do you really think a guy that spent 1 year as a GA at Penn St and 1 year as an analyst for the Saints just came in started teaching Ensminger and Munoz about football?
He brought something to the table that they didn't have. Otherwise they wouldn't have hired him.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:20 pm to MightyYat
Dude they took like 2 snaps under center this past year.
Compare that to 2018 & it’s night & day
Were there some spread concepts? Sure. But look at the results & it’s easy to see the ineffectiveness overall. Few decent games here or there, but man,,, even if E had a firm grasp on this, the offense wouldn’t have reached 2019 heights, but would have been much better than what it was
Someone on the last page brought up personnel too. Think about who played over CEH & Chase last year it’s laughable to think about what he was sitting on, who do you think was ultimate in charge of that? It was just bad.
Compare that to 2018 & it’s night & day
Were there some spread concepts? Sure. But look at the results & it’s easy to see the ineffectiveness overall. Few decent games here or there, but man,,, even if E had a firm grasp on this, the offense wouldn’t have reached 2019 heights, but would have been much better than what it was
Someone on the last page brought up personnel too. Think about who played over CEH & Chase last year
it’s laughable to think about what he was sitting on, who do you think was ultimate in charge of that? It was just bad. This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:22 pm to Magician2
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Show us his stats when he was OC at Texas AM and Clemson
How about Georgia with Eric Zeier? Why not include Georgia? Does it not fit your narrative?
From Wikipedia:
He is a former record-setting quarterback and Heisman Trophy candidate at the University of Georgia, where he set 67 school records and 18 S.E.C. records. In 1994, he became the most prolific passer in the history of the Southeastern Conference as well as only the third quarterback in NCAA Division I history to throw for more than 11,000 yards in his career. He earned All-Academic S.E.C. honors in 1992 and 1993
Yeah baby, that is Emsminger and Zeier and Garrison Hearst who went on to play with San Francisco and in the NFL for 10 seasons said Slinger was running spread concepts before anyone else in college football. That is where Ensminger's nickname came from.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:25 pm to MightyYat
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Nope. It was Ensminger and Munoz. Brady has never coached a QB in his life. I was at the walk through in Atlanta and at the Dome with my nephew who is a former player and Brady was always working with the WRs, showing them the options on each route, working on depth, etc. Ensminger and Munoz were always in the backfield around Burrow.
Brady deserves a ton of credit but none of it happens without Burrow's development.
I think you are technically right but you are ignoring that Brady's offensive scheme is what allowed for the success. All of the personal coaching in the world is less important than a scheme that always puts the QB in a position to be successful.
In other words, while Brady didn't coach Burrow...he was the biggest contributor to his success.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 2:28 pm to MightyYat
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Do you really think a guy that spent 1 year as a GA at Penn St and 1 year as an analyst for the Saints just came in started teaching Ensminger and Munoz about football?
Yes...to a very large degree.
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What Brady brought in was not "Joe Brady's offense." He brought Sean Payton's offense. You had interviews of Brees saying he could tell you what plays were called when he'd watch LSU games.
This doesn't change anything. Brady is the guy who brought the concepts. He's the guy that's leaving. It's debatable whether or not Ensminger will be able to take over and not skip a beat.
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I can't wait to see what happens when LSU still has a wide open offense next year and Brady is sitting on a 6-10 Panthers staff.
I hope this happens. And, I don't think Brady is a sure thing in the NFL...at all. But, if I could have Brady as OC and retire Ensminger right now, I'd do it.
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