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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Alcindor's teams won three NCs

Hell there wasn't even 32 teams in the tournament when he played. Maybe his last year.
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BhamTigah
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Everyone always uses Shaq’s free throw shooting as a reason he’s not in the same league as Kareem and Wilt, but I never see the same argument against Wilt.

Career FT %
Kareem .721
Shaq .527
Wilt .511


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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Shack


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collage


I’m paying close attention to your opinion.


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H-Town Tiger
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
The whole thing is a joke (Maravich a 13 seed ) but the problem with these things is it's just a popularity contest and recency bias. Alcindor, Walton and Maravich are the 3 greatest college basketball players, you can argue over the order of those 3 but hard to argue for anyone over them. I love Shaq, i was at LSU when he was there but Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul Jabbar was a better player in college and the NBA.
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tigahlovah
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Not only were there only 12 1/2 teams invited to the tourney when "lew" played, the NCAA didn't move teams across the country to balance the field like they do now. So "lew" got to play Pepperdine,byu in his west region, which virtually guaranteed the final 4 for the 695 straight years the wizard of oz (who was clean as a whistle according to irish) made it.

Also, "lew" played with a number of basketball hall of famers. Without checking, I would imagine cj was the only one shaq played with. I bet "lew" played with 3-5.


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TigerstuckinMS
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Can someone tell me why Allen Iverson is beating Pistol Pete?

Pistol Pete's been dead 32 years and the people voting are stupid.


LSU82BILL
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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So there's no one here that think he has a point? Alcindor's teams won three NCs, and he did it without having two other potential NBA lottery picks


Really? Stanley Roberts was NOT an NBA lottery pick.

Alcindor played with:

All-American Michael Warren
Lucius Allen - 2nd Team All-American, #3 overall pick that played 10 NBA seasons
Sidney Wicks - All-American #2 overall pick, NBA ROY and 4X NBA All Star Curtis Rowe - All-American, #11 overall and NBA All Star
John Vallely - 3rd Team All-American and 14th overall pick

.....and a shitload of other guys that played in the NBA back when there were only 17 teams.


Gus Tinsley
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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How the hell is Pistol Pete a 13 seed? Also... He is losing to Allen Iverson


Cause many of my generation who saw him play and remember him are not on The Rant!
If there would have been a 3 point line in his say he would have 5000 pts instead of 3667..


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Slickback
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Seems like they’re putting a lot of weight in the team’s success also. LSU was 14-12, 13-13, and 22-10 in Pete’s 3 seasons, with only one NIT bid.


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Madking
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
A- Shaq shot 63.8% from the FT line in college his Soph. year Kareem’s best was 65%. Shaq shot 58% for his career, Kareem shot 62% from the line in college lol.
B- if you ever actually watched Kareem he hit about 25-30% of the Sky Hooks he attempted. Most of his buckets came on dunks just like Shaq (NCAA outlawed the dunk because of Kareem) only Shaq had him by about 70lbs and was twice the athlete Kareem was.
C- using team success in college as your deciding factor means you also consider Bill Walton or any title winning player better than Shaq. Was Glen Rice better than Pistol Pete? You’ve disqualified your own argument.

You’re comparing Kareems legend to Shaq as a player not the actual players. One on one Shaq would dominate Kareem. The only player comparable to Shaq is Wilt but Shaq didn’t let a 6-8 guy dominate him every year the way Wilt did, it just wouldn’t happen.
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
How many 50yr old 7’2” people you comparing your info to.


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atltiger6487
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
oh dear, Bilas has a different opinion. The horror!


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Amadeo
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Really? Stanley Roberts was NOT an NBA lottery pick.

Perhaps a tad hyperbole but he did go in the first round (23rd pick overall).
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Sidney Wicks

Played one year with Alcindor while averaging 7.5 ppg. Not sure how he's factoring into your equation.
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John Vallely

Yeah,...that's a name that immediately comes to mind when discussing great college basketball players. You forgot about Kenny Heitz and Lynn Shackelford

Final analysis:
PPG:
Alcindor 26.4
O'Neal 21.6

Total Rebounds:
Alcindor 15.5
O'Neal 13.5

National Championships:
Alcindor 3
O'Neal 0



Tiger1988
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Wilt Chamberlin was the greatest Center ever and it ain’t even close. Kareem couldn’t carry his jock strap.

This is an absolute fact.
I’m old and saw Jabbar, Wilt and Shaq.


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WITCH DOCTOR
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Shaq would destroy Jabbar


Tiger1988
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
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Shaq would destroy Jabbar
And Wilt would destroy Shaq. Physical and more gifted. Shaq weighed about 270-280 in college MAX.

Y’all think about big NBA Shaq. He actually could rebound and block shots in his early career.

Pete was the greatest college player I’ve ever seen - hands down. 6’5” with the ball handling skills unmatched and those shots. Anywhere with any hand. Just amazing to see.


Madking
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Shaq weighed 286lbs as an incoming Freshman and was listed at 294lbs the summer before his final season at LSU. He was never close as small as 270 while Wilt at his biggest listing in the NBA was 275lbs and was consistently dominated by 6-8, 6-9 Bill Russell, (would’ve never happened to Shaq.) Once the lane was widened Wilts production was almost cut in half, scoring above 25ppg just once after 65-66, so much for the more gifted theory. Shaq would outclass Wilt in every way, Wilt was a poor mans Shaq.
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Tigerfan7218
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
I'm waiting for Bilas to be upset that Pete Maravich lost to *checks notes*... Allen Iverson.

(also that Maravich was a 13 seed to begin with)


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tigahlovah
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
I watched the 1963 NBA finals a few days ago-lakers/celtics. If you ever get a chance to see that on NBATV, imagine shaq playing in that game. Hell, he was incredibly quicker and more athletic than the great Bob "let me wind up and take 3.5 seconds to shoot my set shot" cousy.

As has been posted here, a 6-9 bill russell DOMINATED wilt, and wilt played against other "greats" like 6-2 wes unseld, and 6-3 Nate Thurmond, and also an array of 6-6 Eddie Haskell types with tape on their glasses. (From leave it to beaver fame). Oneal would have averaged whatever he wanted to against those dorks.


Amadeo
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re: Jay Bilas Melts Down after Shaq wins in the Vote vs. Lew Alcinder (Kareem) Vote Next Round
Not that it takes a lot away from your point but,
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6-2 wes unseld

Actually 6'7
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6-3 Nate Thurmond

Actually 6'11

The only person O'Neal would have not been able to push around was Vladimir Tkachenko, a Soviet player from the 70's. 7'3 320 lbs

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