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re: Javien Toviano Arrested
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:07 am to nitwit
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:07 am to nitwit
No. I'm saying there are good people that make mistakes and commit crimes to become criminal. They make amends and pay whatever price is needed and return to living a life without any further transgressions. There are other people that just make bad choices all the time and end up lifelong criminals. Prior to this point in Javien's life, he has been well behaved without any signs that he is going to be lifelong criminal.
I never said this was inadvertent (your words not mine). I said it was a mistake, and it certainly was that. It was terrible judgment. But because he's been exemplary up until this point, I don't expect he will be punished too harshly and should be able to work his way back onto the team.
You are making this rather black and white (criminal or not-criminal), but it's rather rare to find someone that hasn't committed a crime at some point. How many people on this board drank alcohol before they were of age? How many smoked pot? Those are all criminal acts. By your definition, all those people are criminals. Yes, this is more severe than those, but it can still be a lapse in judgement rather than the norm.
Anyway, I've had my say. I'm out. Continue with your righteous indignation.
I never said this was inadvertent (your words not mine). I said it was a mistake, and it certainly was that. It was terrible judgment. But because he's been exemplary up until this point, I don't expect he will be punished too harshly and should be able to work his way back onto the team.
You are making this rather black and white (criminal or not-criminal), but it's rather rare to find someone that hasn't committed a crime at some point. How many people on this board drank alcohol before they were of age? How many smoked pot? Those are all criminal acts. By your definition, all those people are criminals. Yes, this is more severe than those, but it can still be a lapse in judgement rather than the norm.
Anyway, I've had my say. I'm out. Continue with your righteous indignation.
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:21 am to DocBugbear
I don't think anybody is engaged in righteous indignation, so i assume that is deflection.
Almost nobody is universally good or bad, IMO, although there are certainly habitual criminals. If you are suggesting there are recidivists who should be jailed and others who rarely commit crimes who should not, i reject that notion.
What he did was intentional. LEOs believe it was criminal. Good people do not commit intentional crimes, especially those that directly damage other people. If he did it (and he is entitled to a presumption of innocence) he should be punished as a "criminal" because he is. A Judge can take into account that he has no prior convictions in the punishment phase..
Almost nobody is universally good or bad, IMO, although there are certainly habitual criminals. If you are suggesting there are recidivists who should be jailed and others who rarely commit crimes who should not, i reject that notion.
What he did was intentional. LEOs believe it was criminal. Good people do not commit intentional crimes, especially those that directly damage other people. If he did it (and he is entitled to a presumption of innocence) he should be punished as a "criminal" because he is. A Judge can take into account that he has no prior convictions in the punishment phase..
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:21 am to DocBugbear
quote:
You are making this rather black and white (criminal or not-criminal), but it's rather rare to find someone that hasn't committed a crime at some point. How many people on this board drank alcohol before they were of age? How many smoked pot?
Are you really calling misdemeanor such as underage drinking and committing a felony such as this the same thing?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:26 am to graychef
Sure hope all the transfers from Ohio State are completely healthy and primed to fight for the starting roles.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:34 am to Woodman
We've all made stupid decisions in our youth. yes it was wrong. yes he should receive some punishment but I don't think his life should be destroyed because of it. Especially if there is no evidence he shared it. I didn't grow up with that kind of technology around much less phones that could video. But God only knows what some of the guys I knew back then would have done if it did exist.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:44 am to DocBugbear
quote:
Prior to this point in Javien's life, he has been well behaved without any signs that he is going to be lifelong criminal.
Didn't you admit that you have never met Toviano before? How would you possibly know this? Is it because you talked to the 9th grade English teacher at his high school?
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:21 am to graychef
As if our fans give a shite. When can he be ready to play?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:40 am to graychef
Bye.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:46 am to graychef
If it went down the way that the articles say, he needs to be kicked off the team. I hate this for our football program but that's some lowlife, nasty behavior and I don't think we should condone it with a slap on the wrist. That said, this really hurts our defensive backfield
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:06 pm to SammyTiger
maybe if it was your mom would you think the same?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:08 pm to graychef
looks like he is 25 year old and a sophomore?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:09 pm to Solo Cam
if it was your mom would you feel the same?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:10 pm to MC5601
None of us know what evidence the cops have except it is fair to say the cops think they have probable cause. The article says the girl did not consent to the recording, the camera for which is hidden in a clock.
The victim does not know if the video has already been transmitted or not. That is terrifying for a victim.
And i have seen these cases where even after the video is allegedly destroyed or given to the victim, the perp tells friends of friends, quietly of course, that he still has a copy, hoping word gets back to the victim.
Point is, once the bell is rung on this type of crime, it is hard to un-ring...
AND LSU has a long and ugly history with issues like this which gives them little room for error. They really cannot get involved in this, no matter how quietly..
The victim does not know if the video has already been transmitted or not. That is terrifying for a victim.
And i have seen these cases where even after the video is allegedly destroyed or given to the victim, the perp tells friends of friends, quietly of course, that he still has a copy, hoping word gets back to the victim.
Point is, once the bell is rung on this type of crime, it is hard to un-ring...
AND LSU has a long and ugly history with issues like this which gives them little room for error. They really cannot get involved in this, no matter how quietly..
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:33 pm to nitwit
quote:
If you are suggesting there are recidivists who should be jailed and others who rarely commit crimes who should not, i reject that notion.
I mean to be fair, that kind of is how the criminal justice system works. Someone with no criminal record is much more likely to receive probation, pre-trial diversion, lighter sentences, etc. for a given offense than a repeat offender. The same thing applies in our personal/professional lives. I don’t really think that principle should be controversial.
I have no idea if Toviano has been a “good kid” up to this point but I think it’s a little silly to act like it’s not relevant. It’s certainly relevant to some extent, both with respect to the criminal case and his future (or lack thereof) with the LSU program.
That said, it would not surprise me if this particular offense is a bridge too far for Kelly and LSU. Particularly with all the Guice shite in the not-so-distant past.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:54 pm to DocBugbear
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I said it was a mistake, and it certainly was that.
"Whoopsie... I accidentally hid these cameras in my room, invited you over, hit record, and tried to hide this tape from you."
It wasn't a mistake. He got caught. To him, it's a regret, not a mistake.
Stop giving him a pass because he plays football for LSU.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 1:28 pm to WaydownSouth
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That is my bet.
They make a sex tape, he shows it off. She then regrets it or asks for some NIL money or says she will go to the police.
He gets ahead and turns himself in
Why are you giving him the fullest extent of the benefit of doubt? Would you be saying the same thing if it was a well known wealthy BR rapper?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 1:28 pm to BugAC
This is not what the coaches meant when they told Javien to study film
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:19 pm to graychef
I am so thankful when I was an athlete in college these damn camera phones were not around.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:42 pm to graychef
It never ceases to amaze me how these athletes with such a bright future can do such stupid things to ruin it all.
Don't blame it on anyone else.
Don't blame it on anyone else.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:47 pm to graychef
I guess it's something about that jersey #25 this offseason.
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