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re: Jacob Hester "call a run"

Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:47 pm to
Tua made his career off of the RPO seams and slants with small, speedy WRs.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11435 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:54 pm to
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Matt Moscona also said LSU would run the ball ALL OVER Ole Miss......


THIS is why I hate buying rat poison. I don't like all that preseason jawing how we gonna be world beaters. Just go play and how good you are will show up on the field without any mouth running stuff.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12564 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:09 pm to
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We ran 2 or 3 counters vs Clemson and maybe 1 vs Tech. Haven’t seen one since. I am hoping we see them return after the Bye, as that’s an Alex Atkins specialty and it doesn’t require perfect blocking if executed properly.

The weird thing about this is that we ran a ton of counter & power last year. Especially early in the season, but we continued to sprinkle it in even after we settled on more zone/duo later on.

We weren’t particularly effective in the power running game, partially because our pulling OL kept getting held up in the backfield before getting across. But now you’ve got a much better center which should alleviate a lot of that.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61656 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:10 pm to
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Hester repeatedly said during fall camp how good the run game was going to be this year. He said the people watching practice who had concerns about it were wrong.



He was wrong.

Flynn said last week that Ole Miss' QB wasn't good enough to beat us. He was wrong.

I do think it's worth making these guys answer the question about how they were so wrong.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
87619 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:15 pm to
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Tua made his career off of the RPO seams and slants with small, speedy WRs.


he was good at it. people forget but that 2019 bama team had 4 good recceivers while we had 3.

they had devonta smith, henry ruggs, jerry jeudy and jalen waddle.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
65871 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:22 pm to
Yea, I was just pointing out that the majority of his throws were inside the numbers and a lot were off of RPO. If you go back and watch the Clemson loss they just squatted in that window and Tua couldn’t beat them elsewhere.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
41847 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:25 pm to
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quote:

They have QB that is a run threat when they run the RPO



Qb does not have to be a run threat with RPO. only zone reads, power reads, etc.

LINK

RPO is NOT read option/zone read



How many times have people tried to explain this here. I just gave up.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12564 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:32 pm to
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They have QB that is a run threat when they run the RPO or when the QB is not a run threat they run from power formations.

This is the exact opposite of reality.

QB power and power read are very effective plays when you have a QB who can run. QB power especially is great because it gives you an extra lead blocker without having to bring another player into the box.

Meanwhile RPOs compliment a QB who isn’t a runner because it forces the defense to account for him in some way, even if he’s not a threat to run - and gives the QB an option to burn them if they don’t account for him. A running QB gets that from your zone reads, power reads, etc. while a pocket passer gets it from the RPO.

Hester’s point is not that we should abandon RPO, but that we are over-using it. If you tag every single run play with an RPO, you’re keeping your OL from being as aggressive on downfield blocks as they’d like. This in turn gives the LBs and safeties more time to react to the handoff, allowing them to respect the running threat even less.

On the other hand if you call a fair amount of straight run plays, ideally your OL can fire off the ball and punish those LBs for waiting. If you punish the defense enough for sitting on the pass, eventually they’ll have to commit sooner on runs. This will then open more opportunities to burn them on the actual RPOs.

That’s the ideal outcome, anyway. He has a good point. But it has nothing to do with a pocket passer being ineffective on RPOs.

The other implication from his and Flynn’s comments is that Sloan is too focused on trying to get the perfect call. I think there’s some validity to this. You can see it with the amount of time we spend checking out of plays at the LOS. The RPO tags on almost every run are an extension of the same thing - trying to make sure you always have an “out” if the numbers don’t work out perfectly. There are downsides to this approach.

/rant
Posted by QuantraviousJefferso
Member since Sep 2025
190 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:34 pm to
Hester and Flynn become Co-OCs if they know the playbook. I'd take it right now.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12564 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:39 pm to
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Hester repeatedly said during fall camp how good the run game was going to be this year. He said the people watching practice who had concerns about it were wrong.

quote:

He was wrong.

Flynn said last week that Ole Miss' QB wasn't good enough to beat us. He was wrong.

I do think it's worth making these guys answer the question about how they were so wrong.

That’s fair, but they also made some other interesting points, not sure if it’s in the clip OP posted, about the type of stuff we were running when they watched those practices. I believe he said that the power running game was a big focus at the time. I know they said that we were running a ton of wildcat packages with Ju’Juan Johnson in fall camp, something we haven’t seen at all in the games. (I think we might have run it once actually, maybe against Clemson?)

So part of their confusion seemed to be.. why aren’t we running any of this stuff we spent a bunch of time working on during camp?
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3818 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:51 pm to
I agree with this perspective. We haven’t been “running” the ball from a singular effort. It’s out of the pistol with the QB give or go. Agree that this puts the O-line in pass pro while running.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29488 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:55 pm to
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Hester also said everyone worried about Nuss’s health were fools.
he is a fricking fool if he can’t see him struggling with his mid section and lower half.
Posted by Rrrrroger
Member since Mar 2021
942 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:04 pm to
VOLS run almost nothing but RPOs and have had a top 5-10 rushing offense every year under Heupel. They’ve become very creative with how they use TE’s in the run game and have been able to establish themselves as a ground and pound ball club that can air it out at a moments notice.

LSU’s issues lie elsewhere imo, not sure if it’s an overall team culture deal or just horrific playcalling
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45948 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:13 pm to
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Also points out that LSU has run Power zero times this year


Les Miles’s head just exploded

For all the “toss dive” talk, power is by far Les’s favorite thing in the world.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60568 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 8:38 pm to
Hallelujah.

You got the numbers. Run the fricking ball. He’ll Les ran it when we didn’t have numbers better than this powder puff group.

Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
10686 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:23 pm to
Not OCs, just advisors. Flynn would be excellent to pick his brain.
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2023
1951 posts
Posted on 9/30/25 at 9:35 pm to
No need to run a RPO with a QB that is not a threat to run. It makes no sense. Nuss needs to be in a pro style offense. Get under center in downs where you want to confuse the defense on whether it’s a run or pass and on obvious passing downs, go shotgun.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
14267 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:20 am to
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How are all the other teams who run it having success?
They have a competent OL Coach and a RB Coach that can teach his RB's how to find the correct hole to hit.

It's not much more than this and certainly not Rocket Science.

Take the Ball and run fast with it through the correct hole/gap.
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
13120 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:07 am to
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Safeties are creeping up because they are not afraid of getting beat deep. The OM defensive players were constantly cheating up and LSU never took advantage

Because our QB clearly couldn't throw the ball more than thirty yards.

ETA: The passes into double and triple coverage last week were simply astonishing.


This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 5:03 am
Posted by Geauxtigers756
Member since Apr 2022
49 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 8:37 am to
Yes because any fan with a pulse can see that Ole Miss was terrible at run defense. Joe Sloan saw a 3man front and thought “Lets pass it with our hurt QB.”
I don’t know where BK found this dude but he needs to nut up and fire him. Only Coach I know that ruined a National Championship Offense and Defense in his coaching career.
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