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'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:30 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:30 am
...He’s suffered the most serious sanction I’ve ever seen for a student-athlete who failed a drug test.”
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:37 am to Space Cowboy
Looks like trying to cheat it really hurt him. Still a very harsh punishment
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:44 am to Space Cowboy
One of our more wealthy brethren needs to put up a billboard. That will be sure to make national news.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:51 am to LanTheBuilder
The NCAA is racist. Come on down Rev. Sharpton....
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:09 am to Space Cowboy
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...He’s suffered the most serious sanction I’ve ever seen for a student-athlete who failed a drug test.”
Two years is nuts.
But, that quote is misleading. He didn't "fail a drug test". He was caught tampering with his drug test. If that's his argument, the doesn't have a leg to stand on.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 7:13 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:26 am to Space Cowboy
Tampering with a drug test is different than failing a drug test. Its not like he popped a test for weed, this was for PEDs if I'm not mistaken. Two years is still harsh but I'm sure they are warned of the consequences for tampering with and or failing a NCAA test.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:29 am to moneyg
Exactly. Accountability hurts a lot of feelings on this board but it's a normal part of life. The sooner the kid learns that, the better off he will be in life and that's really the important thing
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:30 am to moneyg
or a pot to piss in
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:34 am to moneyg
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He didn't "fail a drug test". He was caught tampering with his drug test. If that's his argument, the doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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“There were blatant violations of drug-testing protocol,” Jackson said. “We’re attempting to request the decision be re-examined, and (for) him to immediately be declared eligible for 2018.”
This quote makes it sound like the NCAA mishandled his sample, and if so, he definitely has a leg to stand on.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:34 am to Space Cowboy
There is a 12 page thread on this topic already but yes, it is excessive. Doubt the appeal works out for us though. Never seems to go that way.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:29 am to Stephen1979
He will be much better off in life, if he gets on the field and plays to his potential. To him, that's the important thing.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:43 am to moneyg
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But, that quote is misleading. He didn't "fail a drug test".
True. However, I agree with the sentiment that this is a pretty egregious punishment. He loses HALF (or at least 2/5ths) of his eligibility over that while if he would have just failed the drug test outright he would have been suspended for a few games, at most (unless he was a multiple offender).
Hell, in the NFL tampering with a test only results in a 6 game suspension. 10 for a second violation. But this kid gets 2 years!
No one is saying he shouldn't have been punished. But 2 years seems completely ridiculous.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:46 am to Brazoria Bengal
These players are in extremely privileged positions. Is it really too much to ask them to follow rules and procedures. If you want to take prohibited substances and then try to cover it up... you deserve what you get.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:15 am to Stephen1979
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Exactly. Accountability hurts a lot of feelings on this board but it's a normal part of life. The sooner the kid learns that, the better off he will be in life and that's really the important thing
Accountability is certainly an important lesson to learn, but when the punishment doesn't fit the crime there is valid room for complaint.
Freeze was the leader of an entire team and coordinated things that were actually ILLEGAL and he receives a TWO GAME SUSPENSION.
Fulton does something that is most definitely stupid and somewhat unethical (but not even illegal) and they want to hand out a punishment that is literally 13 times more harsh (26 games compared to 2) than what they give Freeze?
I bet if they threw you into Guantanamo for going 40 in a 25 you wouldn't be spouting off about accountability.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 9:20 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:38 am to Space Cowboy
gotta love the lawyer-speak.
Fulton didn't just "fail a drug test." He tampered.
Big, big difference.
Fulton didn't just "fail a drug test." He tampered.
Big, big difference.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:55 am to Space Cowboy
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.He’s suffered the most serious sanction I’ve ever seen for a student-athlete who failed a drug test.”
He is right.
Get caught with a stolen weapon and drugs and get a pass because you have been sweating in the hot sun all summer while others sit in air conditioning - Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones.
Knock out a woman cold , no problem - Joe Mixon.
Domestic violence - get second chance at Alabama after dismissal from Georgia- no problem.
Try to deceive on a drug test and must sit out two years.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:59 am to tgerb8
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I bet if they threw you into Guantanamo for going 40 in a 25 you wouldn't be spouting off about accountability.
I bet that if that's what they did with people that go 40 in a 25, only idiots would go over 20mph.
Just b/c a rule is stupid, doesn't mean you don't abide by it, or it's punishment. You can fight it all you want to get it changed, and that's fine, but when the rule is in place, you follow it.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:04 am to tigersbb
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Get caught with a stolen weapon and drugs and get a pass because you have been sweating in the hot sun all summer while others sit in air conditioning - Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones.
Knock out a woman cold , no problem - Joe Mixon.
Domestic violence - get second chance at Alabama after dismissal from Georgia- no problem.
You do know that all of this is off the field issues that do not affect play on the field?
The issue he's being suspended for directly affects performance on the field.
And i say all of this while thinking the suspension is ridiculously too long. For a first test fail you should get suspended half the season, and have to pass tests for a full year. for the tampering, it should be a year.
Every kid knows you get in more trouble when you lie, so to think the penatly shouldn't be harsher b/c of the tampering is silly.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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You do know that all of this is off the field issues that do not affect play on the field?
The issue he's being suspended for directly affects performance on the field.
The problem is the relative harshness of the penalty. A player would only lose a few games in the NFL for the same thing.
The off the field issues affect the safety and well being of others.
I would also be skeptical whether the NCAA applies punishment in an evenhanded way. It might be obvious is players from different schools get different punishments for the same offense , but who is to know if the NCAA surreptitiously peels back one charge to a lesser offense for a player in an annointed program.
Call it BAMA obsession or whatever you want, but just take a look at how North Carolina basketball violations were handled as opposed to the LSU and Lester Earl situation.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:44 am to tgerb8
Do you think the punishment will help him be a better person going forward? Isn't that what this supposed to be about? Helping these kids be better people on and off the field?
Its a harsh punishment in your opinion, but your comparison of going 40 in a 25 is ridiculous.
Let's be honest, the real reason people are angry is bc of the depth crisis we have now at his position. Accountability for that falls on the head coach. Hopefully, that'll be addressed at the appropriate time as well.
Its a harsh punishment in your opinion, but your comparison of going 40 in a 25 is ridiculous.
Let's be honest, the real reason people are angry is bc of the depth crisis we have now at his position. Accountability for that falls on the head coach. Hopefully, that'll be addressed at the appropriate time as well.
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