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tigerfan92
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
It's not the NCAA's fault for Fulton making a stupid choice to do drugs.


LSUperior
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
The world is the way it is today because of society's and our judicial system's lack of discipline and holding people accountable. They let multiple DWI offenders still get behind the wheel then wonder why they kill an innocent person after their 5th time. I'm rooting for the kid and wish him all the best in the world, but I bet he never does anything like this again after serving this type of suspension, so in essence it is effective. Yes he was young, but he still knew better. He seems like a really good kid just had a bad lapse in judgement and suffered a harsh consequence (which may help him later in life from making another bad choice). Let's be honest, fans are just more upset due to the lack of depth on our CB chart.
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nitwit
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Yeah.
When your attorney's lead argument is that the assessment of a penalty is "unethical", you have a problem. "It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.


Catman88
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Kristian Fulton: act like an adult.

You knew the consequences going into the test. Own up to your poor decision and move on.
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BayouCowboy
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Hell, in the NFL tampering with a test only results in a 6 game suspension. 10 for a second violation. But this kid gets 2 years! No one is saying he shouldn't have been punished. But 2 years seems completely ridiculous.

If that's accurate the disproportionality is ridiculous. That's an incredibly harsh punishment for a student athlete that has a short window that will determine his future.

I wonder what the precedent is for this offense. How many other collegiate athletes have received a 2 year punishment?


RainChance0
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban

Seems like today my way of thinking no longer exists', but kids need to learn that there are consequences for every action, good or bad. I promise you that when this is over Kristian Fulton will be a better man for it.


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Catman88
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Yes he is obviously the victim here


BayouCowboy
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Yes he is obviously the victim here

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you are being sarcastic. I never questioned him being punished. It's the proportionality that I questioned. 1st offense costs you half your college career?


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atltiger6487
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Do you think the punishment will help him be a better person going forward? Isn't that what this supposed to be about? Helping these kids be better people on and off the field?
that's only half of it.

The other reason for stiff punishment is deterrence for others in the future.


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atltiger6487
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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"It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.
exactly.

In one law school class early in my first year, when getting grilled by a professor on a particular issue, a classmate gave the reason "it's not fair." The professor exploded.

It's not about fairness, it's about the law (or in the case, the rules).


Byron Bojangles III
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
The punishment is the punishment. He broke the rules


kengel2
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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The punishment is the punishment. He broke the rules



Yup, it's not like this is a made up punishment either. It's right there in black and white on their website. If you tamper with a drug test it's 2 years.

Yes, it sucks, but we should have a compliance department that stresses this stuff.
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I20goon
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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In one law school class early in my first year, when getting grilled by a professor on a particular issue, a classmate gave the reason "it's not fair." The professor exploded.

It's not about fairness, it's about the law (or in the case, the rules).
I seem to find myself arguing with others about:

what is ethical, isn't always moral
what is legal, isn't always fair

I don't seem why some people want to equate those as pairs. Even worse, why some people equate all 4.


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Catman88
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Yes, it sucks, but we should have a compliance department that stresses this stuff


The compliance department drills this into every athlete's head.

Every LSU athlete knows this penalty.

Crying foul after cheating and knowing the punishment is absurd and immature.


kengel2
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Crying foul after cheating and knowing the punishment is absurd and immature.



Yup.

Just seems like they would tell them to just fail the test instead of tampering.


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lsupride87
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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This quote makes it sound like the NCAA mishandled his sample, and if so, he definitely has a leg to stand on.

His quote is also from a lawyer....


Look, i hate the NCAA, and love LSU, but I have a hard time seeing them suspending a player for 2 years for tampering, when it was themselves that messed up the specimen


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lsupride87
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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Knock out a woman cold , no problem - Joe Mixon.

Domestic violence - get second chance at Alabama after dismissal from Georgia- no problem.

Try to deceive on a drug test and must sit out two years.

I understand this. The issue is, the first two things you listed can come with a bunch of grey areas:


Did he really do it? Is the woman lying? Will the charges get dropped? The degree of the crime? etc etc



Tampering with your sample is easy to define, so therefore it is defined by the ncaa


I fully believe it is too harsh, but I understand why it is clearly defined where other things arent at all


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SammyTiger
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
2 years is insane considering like most professional sport don’t even have 1 year suspensions for repeat offenders (PEDs at least)


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ELchapoLSU
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
It bothers me that weed is still being classified as a drug such bullshitee


lsupride87
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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
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It bothers me that weed is still being classified as a drug such bullshitee

The NCAA actually doesnt test for weed during its annual testing.........


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