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Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:16 am to PP7 for heisman
Those aren’t pressures, that’s the QB holding the ball too long and eventually getting people after him. Not the same thing as a pocket collapse or free man.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:16 am to Chalkywhite84
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I'm not a big fan of how house calls a game.
House tries to call a very safe game - there is 0 aggression on long down and distances. He "plays the analytics" too much and we get burned. To me, if you're getting burned either way, throw some of the high risk/high reward potential in there.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:21 am to GumboPot
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and ALL of the Hogs WRs were open
They weren't all open. Perkins & Greg Penn screw up the coverage on the play, Perkins pulls of the guy who catches the TD to guard the guy Penn should have stayed with. Penn breaks off that guy to try and guard the guy Perkins should be covering.
This isn't a 2pt conversion. This is 4th & 7. They have to score a TD. The guy running in the right flat is irrelevant and the guy running at the 5 is not a threat either due to defensive positioning. Would take an impossible ball to get #4 the ball in the far corner
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:21 am to GumboPot
That's some good defense there, baws.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:23 am to GumboPot
Zone is much more difficult to master, but is a good thing to be able to execute competently as it can allow the defense to disguise things in certain situations.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:24 am to PP7 for heisman
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No, there was 4 third and longs in the second half. This was the results.
Sack
pressure, RB leaks out and KJ just flips the ball to him for huge can - could have been tackled at LOS
pressure (with 4), busted play where WR get behind Alexander after Womack almost got KJ
Perkins roughing the passer
Don't come in here with facts. Some posters have an agenda against the coaching staff and create bogus narratives.
Fact is, KJ made some great plays to not only escape pressure but to make throws. He is a large man and hard to bring down. Now, we made plenty of mental errors on some of those throws as you pointed out and then those drives are dead if we dont. I think they scored tds on at least 2 of those drives you mentioned and at least a fg on the other. Minimun 17 points from those errors.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:27 am to GumboPot
Yes! Soft zone sucks in college football
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:32 am to TigerInCbus
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KJ was under fire - it just didn't phase him.
He's experienced. If you're going to rattle him, you wither have to constantly have people in his face or show him something he can't figure out. We did neither, but we came away with the win. I don't think we're going to face any more qbs that experienced.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:38 am to TigerInCbus
quote:I try to ignore all the posters that refuse to see that we pressured him all night.
pass rush? KJ was under fire - it just didn't phase him.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:40 am to TigerInCbus
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No pass rush? KJ was under fire - it just didn't phase him.
THIS. I swear we had 1 or more guys in the backfield on almost every play…sometimes it at least created a hurry sometimes not, but the penetration seemed pretty consistent.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:54 am to Havoc
LOL. We were constantly in the backfield. If we maintain our gaps he gets sacked but there were also times he just stepped up in the pocket under pressure and made a great throw. It happens. Like I said if we maintain outside containment a lot of this goes away. Once you allow a QB to get outside your DB's are compromised. That's Football 101.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:58 am to Madking
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You line #4 up on the RT and rush the QB. That alone will cut our 3rd down rate in half.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:01 am to Reeaholic
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Fact is, KJ made some great plays to not only escape pressure but to make throws. He is a large man and hard to bring down. Now, we made plenty of mental errors on some of those throws as you pointed out and then those drives are dead if we dont. I think they scored tds on at least 2 of those drives you mentioned and at least a fg on the other. Minimun 17 points from those errors.
I do agree that some credit for Arkansas's success has to go to Jefferson. He made some great plays. That doesn't mean LSU's defense was good by any means. But you can make the argument Jefferson is the 2nd best QB in the SEC.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:02 am to LSUfan4444
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They're going to get exposed so now they have to decide how they want to get exposed and I'd rather go down swinging and playing aggressive than just sitting back and waiting for the punches to come.
Perfect example
2021 @ Bama game
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:07 am to GumboPot
Ark Qb had to be like this be like shooting fish in a barrel. Couldnt decide which wide open WR/TE/RB to throw to. All you saw was LSU DB's talking to each other before the play because it seemed they didnt know what to do. It showed because all game backs, Te's ,WR's were wide open not a man for 5 yards or more usually. House better simplify something because these Db's are lost in Zone.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:08 am to GumboPot
While you may be right, the picture you chose is counter to your point. There really isnt anywhere to throw the ball. This is a 2 pt conversion.
The swing route and shallow cross would get get tackled before the goal line. There isnt really a window to throw the ball in your image. each defender in the pic SHOULD be able to close all of those available windows.
the problem all night long was rush lane integrity. The pocket never collapsed. I'm not going to mention his name, but a prominant DT just played patty cake at the LOS all game long. KJ always had a lane to slip through
The swing route and shallow cross would get get tackled before the goal line. There isnt really a window to throw the ball in your image. each defender in the pic SHOULD be able to close all of those available windows.
the problem all night long was rush lane integrity. The pocket never collapsed. I'm not going to mention his name, but a prominant DT just played patty cake at the LOS all game long. KJ always had a lane to slip through
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:22 am to Madking
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Those aren’t pressures, that’s the QB holding the ball too long and eventually getting people after him. Not the same thing as a pocket collapse or free man.
On the first one (Womack sack) both Perkins and Womack are on KJ in under 3 seconds.
The dump off to the RB, we brought 4 and Wingo gets a hand on KJ in under 2 seconds.
The second one, (Busted 59 yard TD) both Wingo and Womack are at KJ in under 4 seconds
Both of those we only brought 4 and completely collapsed the pocket.
On the HP roughing the passer, we only brought 4 and both Swinson and Wingo are 10 yards behind the LOS, in KJ's face, in under 2 seconds. On that play we only brought 3.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 10:25 am to GumboPot
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It seems LSU defensive problems come from zone defense.
I agree. I've never been a big fan of running a lot of zone with college personnel. It always leads to busts. Some teams/coaches seem to be able to teach it and execute it, but most cannot. Sprinkle it in here and there to keep the QB guessing but going to it as much as LSU does just leads to the offense quickly figuring out where the breakdowns are going to be.
Having said that, the staff doesn't trust the defensive backfield to man up WRs and I don't know if I blame them. Outside of Harris, I don't think a DB playing right now makes a 53-man roster in the NFL. We are used to seeing much better personnel back there. A guy like Cordale Flott, who didn't get a ton of pub while here, is head and shoulders better than anyone out there.
Coming into the year, House said the focus of the defense was getting off the field on third down. Well, LSU is currently one of the worst third-down defenses in the country so he has failed at his #1 objective. That's not good.
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