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re: Is this year a measuring stick for Jay Johnson?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:30 pm to AlwysATgr
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:30 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:exactly, that version made the super regionals.
the Dylan Crews '23 version is more experienced than one CPM coached in '21.
quote:agreed but i was refering to seasons end what did the team achieve post season wise because in the end this will be the only thing that will matter to "everyone" not being number 1 or being a national seed. It will be if lsu wins the WS(or at least gets there) OR made the super regional(win or didnt win)
But, we're a national this year. We weren't '18 - '21. That's an upgrade.
or we lost in the regionals again. This will be all that matters to anyone rather or not or current coach is person for the job.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 11:33 pm
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:36 am to Broski
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just year 2.
The transfer portal greatly accelerates expectations
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:51 am to Contrary
Absolutely. If this team can’t reach Omaha. What a failure
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:55 am to Contrary
Every year should be measured based on improvement and results. The only comparison to mainieri is because of the standard that is set for LSU baseball that mainieri helped make. What was the teams weaknesses last year? Did they improve on those weaknesses? Can the newly recruited players maintain or improve the level of competitiveness as the leaving players. And does the healthy roster have the potential to be a CWS team.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:40 am to Contrary
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This year(2 years later) these same players are much older and more experienced. You add pearson, jobert, skenes and white with a few other average, ok players and a couple freshman, the transfer portal and nil to his dosposal, one world think this season by end of the year the program as a whole would improve? Has it?
I mean they went from traveling for a regional to the 5 seed in the country. Is that not improving?
Anything less than Omaha is a disappointment for sure but the team overall has improved since 2021 and an upset in the regionals or supers won’t change that.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 5:42 am
Posted on 5/30/23 at 5:51 am to Contrary
If he doesn’t make it to the CWS with this draw, he should be ashamed of himself.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:15 am to Contrary
He has to make it to Omaha. The season would be a disappointment if he doesn't
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:23 am to Contrary
It’s year 2. No measuring stick. I do expect at least to make the supers though.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:55 am to Contrary
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agreed but i was refering to seasons end what did the team achieve post season wise because in the end this will be the only thing that will matter to "everyone" not being number 1 or being a national seed. It will be if lsu wins the WS(or at least gets there) OR made the super regional(win or didnt win)
5-10 years from now, people won’t be looking back on 2021 as a banner year for LSU baseball just because they got hot for one weekend and made it unexpectedly to the Supers. It was a fun ride at the time, but even then people were using the lackluster regular season and yet another failure to reach Omaha as proof that Manieri was done and needed to be replaced. The overall historical assessment of that season will be even less kind. This season is already more successful from an historical perspective due to the national seed. Falling short of Omaha would still mean that there is work left to do, but it won’t mean there hasn’t been progress made.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 7:57 am to Contrary
I don’t think any one year is or should be a make or break for a coach.
At the start of the year this team was a team put together to win it all. Injuries changed to be a more difficult task.
At the start of the year this team was a team put together to win it all. Injuries changed to be a more difficult task.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:08 am to Contrary
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i am not pitting them against each other
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They both coached/are coaching the same group of kids. If jay does not reach a super with this group does this mean that jay has made this team any better since the 2021 super regional group?
Seems like you are doing exactly what you said you weren't.
Where did you come from? All of a sudden people that rarely posted about baseball are coming out the wood works with tons of baseball threads.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:16 am to Contrary
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It is of my belief that if jj doesnt win this weekend and at least make the supers, that the coaching overall is a failure and hasnt gotten any better since when pm had this group.
They went from traveling to a regional to being the number 5 overall seed. That is improvement no matter the results of the postseason.
The season would absolutely be a failure if LSU loses this weekend and also next weekend but that does not mean that this LSU team is not better than the 2021 team as they have proved that through a 56 game regular season.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:20 am to Contrary
May not necessarily be a measuring stick year.
But if this team doesn't make it to Omaha, it will be a failure on the coaching staff. Even with the injuries, you are VASTLY more talented than any team you'll play before Omaha. No excuses to not make it.
But if this team doesn't make it to Omaha, it will be a failure on the coaching staff. Even with the injuries, you are VASTLY more talented than any team you'll play before Omaha. No excuses to not make it.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:41 am to Contrary
I know of a few posters on here who will consider this year a colossal failure if we don't sweep Omaha.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:13 am to Broski
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that had the top 2 picks in the draft.
There’s 9 people on the field for a reason. I don’t know why y’all keep hanging y’all’s hat on this.
Skenes will throw 1 game in regionals. He will throw 1 game in supers.
Crews is only 1 hitter in a 9 man lineup.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:16 am to dukeg7213
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There’s 9 people on the field for a reason. I don’t know why y’all keep hanging y’all’s hat on this.
Skenes will throw 1 game in regionals. He will throw 1 game in supers.
Crews is only 1 hitter in a 9 man lineup.
Short changing the importance of Skenes and Crews is certainly a choice.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:44 am to Broski
I'm not short changing them but it's a stupid narrative to keep saying we should win the CWS because we have Skenes and Crews.
Did Vandy win the CWS in 2015 when they had Swanson, Fulmer, and Buehler? Swanson went 1, Fulmer went 8, Buehler went 24.
Nope! Virginia won the CWS. Guess how many 1st rounders they had? ZERO!
Did Vandy win the CWS in 2015 when they had Swanson, Fulmer, and Buehler? Swanson went 1, Fulmer went 8, Buehler went 24.
Nope! Virginia won the CWS. Guess how many 1st rounders they had? ZERO!
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:39 am to dukeg7213
It's not a stupid narrative at all. This roster was built for Omaha this season and it would be a huge underachievement if they don't make it there and and last at least 4 games.
We have three guys on this roster that are on the Golden Spikes list.
We have three guys on this roster that are on the Golden Spikes list.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 2:49 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:its a discussion board. Why cant one here get healthy discussion without having people like you ruin it. Seems like from reading all your posts/replies this seems to be your thing lol. Sad thing.
Where did you come from? All of a sudden people that rarely posted about baseball are coming out the wood works with tons of baseball threads.
I am not pitting the two coaches against each other.
Let me break it down further. Many here along with the city of Baton Rouge, felt it was time for pm to leave because many felt as if coaching wise, he hit a ceiling with age, etc. I can also agree it felt like new blood should be brought to baton rouge. So pm retires. In his last year he took the same group as freshman and sophomores to the super regionals in 21. This "same group" are now veterans 2 years later. My question i guess is, if jj cant, when it is all said and done, get lsu to at least a super regional with this "same group" that showed they can be capable of making it to a super of which they actually did in 21 but at least do it again to prove in the end, this program as a whole has not improved and the coach is not what lsu needs? In other words, if lsu loses another regional, i think the present coach is NOT the answer lsu is looking for. At this point making a super and not winning it would be about even with the 21 season with an old washed up coach who brought the team full of freshman at the time to one. Jj even got perks from the portal being in play and nil. So if someone thinks this is comparing and not simply a measuring stick to see if the new coach is doing better than what the program was then i dont know what to tell you.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 3:09 pm to Contrary
Veteran roster with some top notch transfers, it's Omaha or bust for Johnson.
After this season will tell us more about his recruiting and way to build a roster because he will be losing a good bit of players.
After this season will tell us more about his recruiting and way to build a roster because he will be losing a good bit of players.
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