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re: Is this committee system better than BCS computers?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:39 am to stho381
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:39 am to stho381
We hold Bama to 10 pts and shut out for 3 quarters....we drop what 11 spots.....Bama scores 56 pts in an embarrassing fashion and drops 2....i always liked the computer system because it has everyone on a equal playing field and takes the human out of it
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:21 am to stho381
The strength of schedule is a tricky algorithm because it changes week to week i.e. Wisconsin and Auburn being much stronger opponents than once thought in LSU's schedule.
My complaint isn't so much with the teams in the top 4 they are clearly the best this year. Even Ohio St had a brutal schedule this year. As much as I hate them they earned their spot.
My complaint is more so with the Championship games. If they don't mean anything then don't play them. Its unnecessary and clearly a money grab and not in the best interest if student athletes.
To answer your question in my opinion it's not the best system but better than the BCS. They just lock into these agreements for too long and it becomes difficult to change once they see the faults.
My complaint isn't so much with the teams in the top 4 they are clearly the best this year. Even Ohio St had a brutal schedule this year. As much as I hate them they earned their spot.
My complaint is more so with the Championship games. If they don't mean anything then don't play them. Its unnecessary and clearly a money grab and not in the best interest if student athletes.
To answer your question in my opinion it's not the best system but better than the BCS. They just lock into these agreements for too long and it becomes difficult to change once they see the faults.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:30 am to Dr Donut
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My complaint is more so with the Championship games. If they don't mean anything then don't play them
Not singling you out. This championship game thing is a recurring theme.
The Big Ten wanted only conference champions to go when the committee was formed. They were voted down by the SEC, PAC12, Big12 and ACC. Those conferences wanted "the four best teams" and that is where we stand today. Those conferences (I'm talking about you Big12) can't say a word. They created this system.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:23 am to earl keese
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Then why play conference championship games if they don't matter.
Because it's a great accomplishment for a team to win their conference, regardless of whether the conference champ gets a bid to the playoff.
By your logic, why would teams care about ANY game that doesn't affect their playoff status? Because they do. College football is chock-full of big games that don't have direct relevance to the playoffs, but they're still huge nevertheless.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:27 am to atltiger6487
someone posted the BCS ranking a couple weeks ago.....anyone have their final update to see how they are different?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:29 am to la_birdman
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All of this. Why even play the game if the wins, big wins, don't matter? This is why I'm not a fan of the "human" part of the committee. They can't, or don't want to, see the overall picture. At least the computers said, "Team A beat team B. Team A has the advantage."
Do I think Ohio State is a better team than Penn State? Absolutely. But the fact of the matter is that they lost to Penn State. On top of that, they didn't play in their conference championship, nor did they even win their side of the conference. It's shades of Bama in 2011.
Those wins need to count. It would count had it been reversed. And I can already hear, "Well if Penn State gets in, they'd get smoked if they had to play Ohio State again." Probably. But like I said, they beat them, they won the conference and they're still left out. That's not right IMO.
This isn't about Penn State, it's about how the "committee" said that these big wins would count for something.
la birdman
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:31 am to stho381
No. Why is the process secretive? Why cannot rules be put into place for selecting the teams for all to see? The teams are selected based on TV ratings as a huge component.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:32 am to Bayou
Once you get into the territory of conference games being diminished in importance you lose me.
I'm not in favor of revamping the traditional goals of college football
I'm not in favor of revamping the traditional goals of college football
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:41 am to stho381
The original BCS was the best. It factored in strength of schedule heavily and was unbiased.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:47 am to stho381
I really hope Ohio State wins out. The sports media folks and Gumps heads will explode.
It will be glorious.
It will be glorious.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:25 am to Space Cowboy
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We need an 8 team payoff to take all humans and their inherent biases out of the process.
Wouldn't matter...then the #9 and 10 teams would moan...didn't always think so, but I think 4 teams is the right call...there's no way to completely take bias out of the process unless you have a conference champions only play-off and include ALL conference champions...and that'd be 10 teams but that would leave the 4 independents out...and that would render the regular season meaningless...
March Madness takes a butt-load of teams...and still after their selection, talking heads and school reps bitch 'bout who got left out...and that's with 68 teams in...
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:41 am to stho381
The BCS was unbiased. But once 2 SEC teams got in for the championship, the national perspective was "frick this..."
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:45 am to stho381
Computers cant detect which school has the biggest following which would bring in the most money/ratings.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:45 am to Marfa
No committee is made up of people. People are biased. Rules and or computers should determine who goes.
When is the last time there was controversy in the NFL playoff teams? As long as people have to make decisions then there will be controversy. It is almost impossible for there not to be controversy with people making decisions where the guidelines are not spelled out on EXACTLY how to make the decision.
When is the last time there was controversy in the NFL playoff teams? As long as people have to make decisions then there will be controversy. It is almost impossible for there not to be controversy with people making decisions where the guidelines are not spelled out on EXACTLY how to make the decision.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 11:50 am to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:Yall are such morons. It is almost the exact same
BCS rankings are much better.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 1:51 pm to lsupride87
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For example, if Florida would've beaten Alabama in the SECCG, would the committee take Florida over Bama. Of course not. Bama would still get an invite because it's a complete "body of work" that the committee looks at, not simply whether you won your conference or division.
In 2001 Tennessee was on the verge of going to the NC game until they lost to LSU in the SECCG (they beat LSU earlier in the season). We ended up in the Sugar Bowl and beat Illinois 47-34. We were on fire at the end of the season and may have done well in a playoff system if given the opportunity, even with 3 losses.
Saying that a conference champion doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs based on their losses earlier in the year is terrible. There has to be a reason to play in and win the game. You have to play for something. And on a reverse note, if you lose the game you are a loser but certainly may be more deserving than a team that sat home and didn't even participate. OSU is a great team this year and may win it all, but they do not deserve it because they lost to a team that got left out and won their championship.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:11 pm to omegaman66
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When is the last time there was controversy in the NFL playoff teams? As long as people have to make decisions then there will be controversy.
Huge difference - the NFL only has 32 teams, they play 16 game schedules, and 12 make the playoffs. So having a rules-based playoff seeding format makes much more sense.
College football has 128 teams with only a 12 game schedule. Very, very difficult to use solely a rules-based criteria.
Now, when the playoff inevitably expands to 8 teams, it will be very easy to take the 5 Power5 champs and then have the committee select 3 at-large teams. Much like the March Madness committee.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:30 pm to Volvagia
Take people out of it completely.
6 team playoff
5 power 5 champs. 6th spot goes to highest ranked non power 5 champ.
The two highest ranked teams get a first round bye.
8 team playoff
5 power 5 champs. 3 highest ranked non power 5 champs. (Drawing for non power 5 would be only way to completely remove human bias)
If you want in, win your conference, this keeps importance of regular season intact and gives smaller schools access.
6 team playoff
5 power 5 champs. 6th spot goes to highest ranked non power 5 champ.
The two highest ranked teams get a first round bye.
8 team playoff
5 power 5 champs. 3 highest ranked non power 5 champs. (Drawing for non power 5 would be only way to completely remove human bias)
If you want in, win your conference, this keeps importance of regular season intact and gives smaller schools access.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 4:45 pm to lsupride87
The BCS's job was to put the 2 best, most deserving teams in a game against each other to play for the National Championship.
They did that. Every year. In most years, there is a clear cut #1 team and several teams deserving to be #2, or #3, etc.
The system would not EVER be without controversy.
The new system, a committee, who's job it is to place the best, most deserving 4 teams into a playoff system.... is doing it's job.
It won't be without controversy.
But the committee believes Ohio State is a better, more deserving team even though Penn State beat Ohio State AND won the Big 10.
After typing that, my mind almost changed.... lol
They did that. Every year. In most years, there is a clear cut #1 team and several teams deserving to be #2, or #3, etc.
The system would not EVER be without controversy.
The new system, a committee, who's job it is to place the best, most deserving 4 teams into a playoff system.... is doing it's job.
It won't be without controversy.
But the committee believes Ohio State is a better, more deserving team even though Penn State beat Ohio State AND won the Big 10.
After typing that, my mind almost changed.... lol
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:14 pm to D500MAG
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Take people out of it completely.
I agree, but you can't do it if you want the following criteria.
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5 power 5 champs. 6th spot goes to highest ranked non power 5 champ.
The two highest ranked teams get a first round bye.
So I don't think that works?
Umm in theory computers are better than the committee. But in reality most of the BCS ranking came from human biased polls (like above).
If you develop a formula that ranks teams based on what they actually accomplished then that's what you need to move to.
It doesn't even have to be complicated. And it completely leaves out the BS of being affected by team C if A and B are being compared (unless A or B has a win/loss against C).
Something like..
1 point for any win.
2 points for a win over a team that finishes with less than 4 losses.
4 points for an elite win (over a team that finishes with less than 3 losses).
5 points for a conference championship (if you don't play a conference championship game then 5 points if you won the conference outright - otherwise tough titties.)
3 bonus points for being undefeated.
-1 for a loss against a team that finished with less than 3 losses.
-2 for a loss against a team that finished with less than 4 losses.
-4 for a bad loss.
I think you move to 8 teams. And your top 4 teams who will almost certainly be conference champs get in. The remaining 4 spots go to "wild cards." but even the western Kentucky's of the world would have a shot with the undefeated bonus and conference champ.
I dunno. maybe too simplistic to actually work in real life.
In that case OSU would still be over PSU because they had 2 elite wins, 3 good wins, and an elite loss.
PSU had only 1 elite win, 2 good wins, an elite loss, and a bad loss.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 5:32 pm
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