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re: Is LeMahieu the best Tiger Big Leaguer of all time?
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:10 am to Madking
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:10 am to Madking
WAR isn't perfect but it is better than looking at hits etc... a few things I don't like about it, is that it gives a CF a higher score than a RF because CF is supposedly harder to navigate. Also it takes into account the team around you, so if your an outstanding player on a poor team you contribute more to the team and thus have a higher WAR than a player with similar stats who is on a better team.
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WAR in baseball stands for Wins Above Replacement. This metric measures how much better (or worse) a player is against a typical average player. Understanding WAR can help Major League Baseball Teams put the best statistically driven player on the field to increase their number of wins
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Hitter WAR Metric = (Batting Runs (RBI) + Fielding Runs Above Average + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment + Base running runs) + Runs Added or Lost Due to Grounding into Double Plays / Runs Per Win
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Pitching WAR Metric (FIP)= (Homeruns) + (BB + HBP ) + (K + IFFB))) / IP
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<0 means that they are replaceable
0-2 means that they should be a backup
2.1-4.9 means that they (player) should regularly start most games in the season
5 – 7.9 means that this player is going to be an All-Star or All-Star candidate during the season
8+ means that this player is having an MVP baseball season
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Just like how hitters and pitchers have a unique formula, so does defense. The defensive runs saved (DFS) calculates the probability of a catch or play made against that defender’s action. For example, a first baseman has a hard-hit ball to their left and makes a play. The calculation said that the play had a 40% chance of being made by similar players, so that defensive player gains .6 bonus points on making that play.
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Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:59 am to tduecen
“WAR isn’t perfect”
And that’s the problem because when it comes to statistics precision is the whole point.
And that’s the problem because when it comes to statistics precision is the whole point.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:06 am to Madking
It's a hell of a lot better than counting stats or using batting average, home runs, etc....
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:15 am to tduecen
That’s your opinion and I disagree. Why do you need a single statistic to tell you who the best player is? Do you really crave that argument so bad and what does it have to do with actual baseball? Look it’s a non standardized statistic among other huge issues so it cannot be the barometer to judge players. To be the best player in baseball you just have to be the best at as many actual applicable category’s as you can be. Sometimes there’s a top guy, sometimes you can make an argument for a few guys. That’s reality.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 4:16 am
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:28 am to tduecen
War, huh(good God).
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:38 am to Madking
You very firmly do not understand it, and that’s ok.
You keep saying these generalized statements to sound smart, but they make zero sense.
You keep saying these generalized statements to sound smart, but they make zero sense.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:13 am to Safety Blitz
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Albert Belle,
Best player in the league in his era. He went through a stretch of dominance like few before or after.
He hated the media and they hated him or he would be treated much differently. He was Ana solute stud.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:33 am to CDawson
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Best player in the league in his era.
American League WAR, 1990-1999.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:30 pm to Lester Earl
Lmfao
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:43 pm to Safety Blitz
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LeMahieu
Folks don't like to admit it about a kid not from the south, but he's certainly one of GOATs.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:03 pm to Lester Earl
In his prime Belle was better than everyone on that list in their prime except Griffey, and Frank Thomas.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:17 pm to doubleb
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his prime Belle was better than everyone on that list in their prime except Griffey, and Frank Thomas.
attttttttttt….???? Hitting for power ?
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:44 pm to Safety Blitz
Are you drinking Paw Paws cough meds. Albert Belle, and aint even close
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:44 pm to Madking
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WAR is a pseudo stat made up by ESPN who refused to release the formula they used to get it for 4-5 years it was so faulty.
Fangraphs and Baseball Reference have been posting WAR for the last ~15 years and the formulas are posted all over the Fangraphs website
Not sure anyone ever references “ESPN WAR”. I know for a while they just used the baseball reference version on their stat pages.
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It‘s based on changing and unknown variables that differ not only for position but for almost every single player.
WAR is calculated using adjustments for park and league, which hardly seems unreasonable. Not sure what you mean when you say “unknown variables”- all the park factors, etc. are clearly listed on the sites calculating the stat.
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It cannot be applied evenly to any two players and doesn’t project in actuality to the field of play
The whole point of incorporating park and league factors is to make it easier to compare between players in different situations.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:02 pm to DallasTiger45
Because ESPN invented the stat and the actual formula isn’t public. It has undefined variables incorporated into it which are acknowledged in the formula. Here’s the father of advanced metrics, Bill James, on WAR.
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It’s not a real stat, it’s a projection at best.
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It’s not a real stat, it’s a projection at best.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:28 pm to Safety Blitz
I would say that anyone that went to LSU and made it in the majors deserve a standing,not if you were the best,bascially who cares,you made it to the majors and that is good enough for me. I don't care if one was a little better than the other,you were good enough to make the big time. That's an honor in itself.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:16 pm to DallasTiger45
He just googled the Wikipedia definition of WAR. He doesn’t actually know anything about it. He could tell you why it’s unfair or biased
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:40 pm to Madking
I mean I literally just posted the formula above 
Every article you listed also goes back to the same person Bill James, there is nothing new I'm Amy of those
Every article you listed also goes back to the same person Bill James, there is nothing new I'm Amy of those
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:42 pm to Madking
Thanks for the links. With 2 Math degrees in my pocket (and advice from a Fellow of the Society of Actuaries - my daughter), I gotta agree with you, Bill James, and Edwin Starr, as far as MVP implications of WAR.
And, yeah, it's Belle.
And, yeah, it's Belle.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 8:54 pm to Lester Earl
You truly are pathetic. Projection and making shite up seems to always be the two pillars of your arguments. It takes literally no intelligence to do what you do but a high degree of insecurity and dishonesty.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 8:56 pm
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