Is it bama or saban

Saban let’s Bama recruit nationally but it’s Saban

Saban took a 3-8 LSU team and won a NC 4 years later, and he had us locked and loaded for an insane run 2005-2007. He probably would have won 1-2 more in that time period while still recruiting lights out.

It’s Saban.

It’s Saban. Alabama will almost always recruit well because of the money they pour into it, but without Saban, they are an average upper tier program much like LSU, OSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc... They will always have a shot at a run at a National Championship every year, but they won’t make it most years.

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Saban let’s Bama recruit nationally but it’s Saban Saban took a 3-8 LSU team and won a NC 4 years later, and he had us locked and loaded for an insane run 2005-2007. He probably would have won 1-2 more in that time period while still recruiting lights out. It’s Saban.

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It's both, more Saban than Alabama but Alabama is one of the biggest names in college ball all the way back to 1925 and allows coaches to recruit nationwide even before Saban. Louisiana produces more recruits than Alabama but Bama was recruiting throughout the south before the SEC existed. Defensive end Bear Bryant was recruited from Arkansas in the 1930's. People make fun of Bama claiming 17 championships, but the NCAA recognizes 15 of them, under 4 different coaches.

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Bama was a national power from 1925 though 1945, then was down until Bryant took over in 1958 and was a national power again from 1960 into the early 1980's, then was good but not great through 1990 and was a national power again for about 6 years, then was up and down until Saban was hired in 2007. Saban could win at most schools but it was easier at Bama than most places. He could have won just as big at USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Texas. He almost took a job at USC before coming to LSU but his agent talked him out of it. He also talked to Texas while at Bama but his wife talked him out of it.

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Bama can pay players, use PEDs, gets easy schedules, media bias, and ref bias.

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Agree. But I'd put refs first and PEDs a close second.

Alabama has beaten us 53 times out of 83. Saban and Bryant have not been there 53 years combined. So it appears, it’s more Bama than an individual coach. What Bama has that we don’t are successful coaches that stay a long, long time. Even Stallings was there 7 years and won 6 of 7 against us.

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Alabama has beaten us 53 times out of 83

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53 times in 83 tries. 20-5 against Bryant. 10-3 vs Saban. 30-8 vs those 2 guys. 30 of 53 victories by Bama under Bear & little Nicky. 23 under everyone else. 8 Of 30 non wins (5 ties) under that pair. 22 of 30 LSU vitories against everyone else. So vs not Saban or Bryant Alabama leads 23-17-5

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So it appears, it’s more Bama than an individual coach.

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Not to me, though it is not only the coach post Bear Bryant at least. It’s a tradition that started then, IMO.


Interestingly Miles (5) and Saban (4) have the most wins vs Alabama. 3 of Miles vs Saban, ironically. A Arnsparger to that list, he never lost to Bama. 2 wins and 1 tie. Those 3 coaches have 12 of 30 non losses and 10 of 25 victories.

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Alabama period. Saban is great. Bama had Bryant and won a ton before Bryant.
And the guys after Saban will win.
What other program can claim the two greatest coaches of all time?
But we whine and complain. Do what they’re doing...Saban did

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Alabama has beaten us 53 times out of 83. Saban and Bryant have not been there 53 years combined. So it appears, it’s more Bama than an individual coach. What Bama has that we don’t are successful coaches that stay a long, long time. Even Stallings was there 7 years and won 6 of 7 against us.

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However, Bryant was 16-4 vs. LSU and Saban is now 10 and 3. So 26 of those wins (half) are attributable to 2 of the greatest coaches in CFB History. So it does correlate to coaching. If you look at NFL talent Bryant had from 1964 to 1982 the years he played LSU every year, it was not that much different from LSU. In fact, UGA under Dooley over that period was the biggest NFL producer of talent in the SEC. Bryant won with mostly Alabama kids and he outcoached everyone. He never had the kind of recruiting talent advantage Saban has. That is a fact. Go look it up if you don't believe. me.

Stallings was a good coach but went up against Archer (1-0), Curley (3-1),and DiNardo (2-0), each who only lasted 4 years at LSU and were fired. Again, better coach.

From 2000 to 2006. LSU was 6-1 vs. Alabama (Saban 4-1) and Miles 2-0 (vs. Shula). And if Matt Mauck doesn't get hurt in the Florida game in 2002, That team wasn't going to loose anymore. They were about to take off mid 2002 when they went in to Florida and blew the doors out against the Gators.

Saban is just a rare bird, NFL background from Bill Belichick coaching tree that can go anywhere and recruit and he will go anywhere to recruit and Bama will give him the recruiting budget to do so.

I poste this on another tread. Almost every player Bama has on their 2 deep is in the top 1 to 3 in their position group. Let's jus take from TE to RT. The TE is from New Orleans, the LT from California (was top LT prospect in Country, projected 1st round pick), Left Guard is local from Tuscaloosa (one of top guard prospects coming out of HS), Center was top Center prospect in Country and is from Iowa (projected 2nd round pick), the RG was the number 1 player out of Kentucky (from Lexington, right under UK's nose) and RT is from Florida (one of the top RT prospects out of HS. And the QB was the #1 prospect and is from Hawaii.