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re: Is Corey Raymond the problem or just a lack of talent.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:24 am to dos crystal
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:24 am to dos crystal
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Nope, don't see him the proble at all. The jalens appear to have regressed because mingo, logan, minter, montgomery are gone. they have to cover longer.
The issue is, cooper was not recruiting well when he left. the two jalens are his. Raymond deserves a chance to recruit his guys and see what they got. so far, two of three best secondary guys are raymonds. (thomas and white)
Then you here the rumblings that r. jefferson is doing very well and is pushing the other safties for playing time. that's another raymond guy.
There wasn't any love lost when coop left. He didn't like to recuit and the talent level in the secondary was dropping. Coop was very fortunate and blessed to coach a group of louisiana studs that wanted to be tigers during his time here. Reid, T.M, Morris C., Taylor, etc.
Raymond deserves the chance to show what he can do with his guys. That is next year. If they don't show out next year, then i say go after raymond all you want. I have a feeling they will.
thank you
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:26 am to dos crystal
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r. jefferson is doing very well and is pushing the other safties for playing time
Then why in the hell is he still on the sidelines? Can't be much worse. Heard a bunch about him in fall camp and have been shocked that he has yet to see the field.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:29 am to RawTiger
Someone understands that the front end (line) and back end (secondary) must be in sync. Pass rush alleviates a lot of these problem.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:32 am to The Mick
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Wow, I didnt know about these comments. When did he say that? And was he referring to players not following the assignments or to the coaches not communicating the play in from the sidelines?
Miles did mention communicating play calls in fast enough were some of the DB issues in an interview after the game I do recall correctly.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:48 am to Will2nd
Thats just baffling.....why did something like this linger? Could the coaches not make an adjustment? What was causing this?
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:16 am to BOSCEAUX
Lining up in man and letting a guy run by you repeatedly is the players fault. Our DBs need a foot in the arse to help clear their minds.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:25 am to ccomeaux
The safeties are a big part of the problem. On two occasions I know of in the second half the CB's cut their protection short to pick up the underneth and Martin failed to pick up his guy on the right side. Looks like on the last TD that is what happened as well.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:39 am to lsufan1971
Lets just all be fair:
1.) The Jalens were not at all impressive last year. This has been punctuated wrong. They weren't exploited last year because we had a top notch pass rush.
2.) They haven't regressed, they are just the exact same which is, I hate to be the one to say it, but legitimate three star/ barely four star recruits that turned out to be as advertised and not these diamonds in the rough we hoped for because we kept losing recruiting battles for better DBS.
3.) Our MLB is not agile enough to make mlb blitzes viable (they have to overload the middle and get there quick, we tried and welter whiffed BC he isnot quick laterally)
4.) Chavis is trying to run HIS defense now which is much more similar to a legit 4-3 AND I think he's so used to having good DBS that he was going for a bend don't break (soft zone no big plays hopefully get a pick) type defense instead of realizing that we were out matched and you might as well bring the heat and get lucky instead of giving up a guaranteed td hoping Murray would make a mistake.
At the end of the day, UGA started rolling the dice with blitzes realizing that they wouldn't get the stop so what's difference between an 80 yard td and 4 20 yard passes? We failed to ACCEPT that we couldn't get the stop and did not gamble for the victory.
1.) The Jalens were not at all impressive last year. This has been punctuated wrong. They weren't exploited last year because we had a top notch pass rush.
2.) They haven't regressed, they are just the exact same which is, I hate to be the one to say it, but legitimate three star/ barely four star recruits that turned out to be as advertised and not these diamonds in the rough we hoped for because we kept losing recruiting battles for better DBS.
3.) Our MLB is not agile enough to make mlb blitzes viable (they have to overload the middle and get there quick, we tried and welter whiffed BC he isnot quick laterally)
4.) Chavis is trying to run HIS defense now which is much more similar to a legit 4-3 AND I think he's so used to having good DBS that he was going for a bend don't break (soft zone no big plays hopefully get a pick) type defense instead of realizing that we were out matched and you might as well bring the heat and get lucky instead of giving up a guaranteed td hoping Murray would make a mistake.
At the end of the day, UGA started rolling the dice with blitzes realizing that they wouldn't get the stop so what's difference between an 80 yard td and 4 20 yard passes? We failed to ACCEPT that we couldn't get the stop and did not gamble for the victory.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:46 am to redfieldk717
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cooper was fired or whatever you want to call it for his lack of recruiting abilities....i think he is a good coach though
Huh?
Cooper was not fired. He left. He didn't like to recruit, yes, but he was not pushed out
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:48 am to redfieldk717
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Raymond deserves a chance to recruit his guys and see what they got. so far, two of three best secondary guys are raymonds. (thomas and white)
Now that's what I'm looking for. I agree with this whole-heartedly. However, who makes the calls from the sidelines, Raymond? There could still be an issue there.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:56 am to Will2nd
I will tell you the weak link in the secondary is Loston....a player who consistently makes very bad, late judgments.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:04 pm to LagdonCG
Rewatching this game last night...
The starting safeties at Lsu are the worst that I've seen in 6 years.
It's bad.
And the LBers anticipate taking a hit (welter) instead of tackling.
This might be a long season
The starting safeties at Lsu are the worst that I've seen in 6 years.
It's bad.
And the LBers anticipate taking a hit (welter) instead of tackling.
This might be a long season
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:12 pm to redfieldk717
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cooper was fired or whatever you want to call it for his lack of recruiting abilities....i think he is a good coach though
Lol rant knowledge
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:20 pm to TheDoc
careful loston is a golden child bray, team player ect.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:21 pm to Will2nd
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Can someone clear up Frank Wilson's position versus Kragthorpe's?
Krag is not on the coaching staff, he is in an admin position now due to his illness.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:22 pm to LagdonCG
quote:Like most of the secondary, his shortcomings are really getting exposed by not having a pass rush. And they are all weak links, not just Loston. Literally, I dont see one viable DB on our team atm.
I will tell you the weak link in the secondary is Loston....a player who consistently makes very bad, late judgments.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:25 pm to LsuTool
First Corey Raymond was a DB Coach for the nebraska so he should have the talent to coach up the DB's. Second he had 2 three stars that was force to start last year. So Corey Raymond had a full year to coach these DB's up. I don't care how much talent you have if you are not coached up as a DB you will get exposed.
Ron Cooper had 2 three stars that made it to the NFL. He also coached up Taylor and Brooks who are also in the NFL. Maybe he didn't like to recruit but he coached the hell out of 4 guys that are on NFL Rosters.
Corey Raymond who is a great recruiter had one full year with two three stars who have regressed. He also have a 5 star that is getting burned by the deep ball. Furthermore, he has four star safeties that are out of position and getting burned. That sideshow we saw Saturday in the defensive backfield is on Corey Raymond period.
Corey Raymond is not new to this in at Nebraska you coach three stars all the time they don't have the time for excuses. It kills me to give him another year and while we give that year Hootie, Brown and others are going to Bama and Florida who DB are coached up
Ron Cooper had 2 three stars that made it to the NFL. He also coached up Taylor and Brooks who are also in the NFL. Maybe he didn't like to recruit but he coached the hell out of 4 guys that are on NFL Rosters.
Corey Raymond who is a great recruiter had one full year with two three stars who have regressed. He also have a 5 star that is getting burned by the deep ball. Furthermore, he has four star safeties that are out of position and getting burned. That sideshow we saw Saturday in the defensive backfield is on Corey Raymond period.
Corey Raymond is not new to this in at Nebraska you coach three stars all the time they don't have the time for excuses. It kills me to give him another year and while we give that year Hootie, Brown and others are going to Bama and Florida who DB are coached up
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:26 pm to redfieldk717
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pretty small sample size for raymond with not nearly the quality of talent cooper had. i would wait to cast judgement for when the new crop emerges next year. we dont have a single nfl db on our starting defense this year outside of tre white because too early to tell on him
Dude 1st off Ron cooper is the best DB coach in the county next to saban. 2nd He was not fired he got a better offer from the Pro's. 3rd Corey raymond has has a year and a half that's a big enough sample size!!
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:28 pm to BOSCEAUX
What is this with blaming Raymod for the debacle on Saturday?
When the front four are unable to get any pressure on the QB and opposing team rishes for 148 yards before contact, it is not solely a DB problem.
Saturday was a total defensive collapse.
When the front four are unable to get any pressure on the QB and opposing team rishes for 148 yards before contact, it is not solely a DB problem.
Saturday was a total defensive collapse.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 12:32 pm to redfieldk717
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cooper was fired or whatever you want to call it for his lack of recruiting abilities....i think he is a good coach though
Fired? You fire a coach that put out Brandon Taylor, Patrick Peterson, Morris Claiborne, Ron Brooks, Tharold Simon, Mathieu, etc as top level talent into the NFL?
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