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re: Interesting comments from Jabril Cox-media interview yesterday....
Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:26 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:26 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
quote:that's the biggest fix, band-aid or no.
and also “matching numbers.” He gave an example of matching LSU’s best cornerbacks against South Carolina’s No. 13, senior wide receiver Shi Smith.
They weren't running Bo's pattern matching zone for shite. It was way too easy to confuse our guys if the "passed through" the zone.
By just matching numbers, it significantly reduces the ways they can confuse us. If there's 3 guys over here... then we need 3 or 4 guys there to. It doesn't matter if they crossed through 2 patterns to get there.
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Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:34 pm to TeamLSU
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Simple, go back and compare the offenses when he was here previously to the offenses of today and you will find your answer.
I think it’s pretty well known right now that problem with he defense isn’t scheme. It’s the players not knowing what to do in the defense.
So again, I ask...what’s the difference now than it was the first time around?
Why is this first time in Pelinis career are kids not picking up the defense and having issues running said defense?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:47 pm to Prominentwon
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Why is this first time in Pelinis career are kids not picking up the defense and having issues running said defense?
I am guessing experience. Trouble understanding the scheme and each others responsibility. Vincent opting out. Stingley out vs MSU. Partial spring camp. New system. I would say all these are factors
Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:48 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
I am Glad we’re doing it
Wish we didn’t say it out load before the game...
Wish we didn’t say it out load before the game...
Posted on 10/21/20 at 3:56 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
My issue
If it's simple for our players wouldn't that make it simple for opponents too?
If it's simple for our players wouldn't that make it simple for opponents too?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:00 pm to Tigahs7
Cox is probably our best LB. Dude is everywhere. If you think he's always out of position then I'd hate for you to be a coach. Our interior dline has no push and out safeties and corners are the ones out of position.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:03 pm to RobbieTiger4
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If you think he's always out of position
he isn't as good as what we have had. He has made some great plays but also seems slow to plug holes and lost in coverage at times.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:15 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
Just fire Pelini already. If we lose on sat and he's still here 
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:18 pm to Prominentwon
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I think it’s pretty well known right now that problem with he defense isn’t scheme
So what do you think the coaches are simplifying? Miss. State tore us a new a-hole because Pelini failed to SCHEME against Leach offense.
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It’s the players not knowing what to do in the defense.
Maybe because they are running a DIFFERENT Defensive SCHEME than what they ran under Aranda.
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Why is this first time in Pelinis career are kids not picking up the defense and having issues running said defense?
You can't force feed a scheme/defense to what's practically a very young team especially after losing all the leaders LSU lost. And by the way, Pelini has NEVER had to replace the type of talent that LSU replaced. So, it's his job to simplify the defense so that the players can better handle his SCHEME. That should have been obvious from DAY 1.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:38 pm to TeamLSU
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So what do you think the coaches are simplifying? Miss. State tore us a new a-hole because Pelini failed to SCHEME against Leach offense.
You can put Arandas scheme on the field but if the players aren’t grasping what they want them to do, you’re going to see results like that.
Look, I understand it falls on Pelini, no matter what he does. The players never do any wrong. But, if the players have no idea where to go, what to do...then what’s the problem? Where’s the miscommunication and why is it different with this group of players and not with any other teams he’s ever coached?
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Maybe because they are running a DIFFERENT Defensive SCHEME than what they ran under Aranda.
Ok. So what’s the problem here? I don’t understand what’s going on as far as why there’s so much confusion and miscommunication. What’s the problem? Why isn’t everyone picking up the scheme? Why are players running around like they don’t know what to do?
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You can't force feed a scheme/defense to what's practically a very young team especially after losing all the leaders LSU lost. And by the way, Pelini has NEVER had to replace the type of talent that LSU replaced. So, it's his job to simplify the defense so that the players can better handle his SCHEME. That should have been obvious from DAY 1.
I’m not even sure how to respond to this.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 4:40 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
So a simplified defense apparently with minimum movement and mobility is suppose to be able to stop a modern offense. Sounds like an Offensive Coordinator's dream.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 5:06 pm to Prominentwon
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Why is this first time in Pelinis career are kids not picking up the defense and having issues running said defense?
According to "Hester" it was the same problem when he came here in 05. Remember Tennessee was down 21 points at the half, then Clausen, an LSU retread, led TN to a come back for the win. A couple games later Pilini got the defense on track.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 5:12 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
Of course!!!
You don't pay million of dollars to a coordinator to have SIMPLE schemes!!! Simple schemes don't win you games, especially against good teams with good talent.
You don't pay million of dollars to a coordinator to have SIMPLE schemes!!! Simple schemes don't win you games, especially against good teams with good talent.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 7:45 pm to Gus007
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According to "Hester" it was the same problem when he came here in 05. Remember Tennessee was down 21 points at the half, then Clausen, an LSU retread, led TN to a come back for the win. A couple games later Pilini got the defense on track.
Tennessee was the second game of the season, a season in which players were literally housing relatives in their apartments and the campus was a triage center due to Katrina. Even then they got it fixed after game two. We’re going on game four this year and they continue to play like shite.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 7:52 pm to tigerborderjumper
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So a simplified defense apparently with minimum movement and mobility is suppose to be able to stop a modern offense. Sounds like an Offensive Coordinator's dream.
shite, the hell with trying to STOP it, But with the players LSU has on the roster, at LEAST slow it down.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 8:06 pm to FulshearTexasTiger
Is it really the coaching if the defense is simply too complicated for the current players? I’m sure Pelini is running the same concepts he used last time he was here. I’m starting to think those players were just better students of the game.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 8:08 pm to Drizzt
Hester has said it's not the same stuff. I don't think it is either. Same principles of course, but not the exact same.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 8:31 pm to Imber
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We’re going on game four this year and they continue to play like shite.
Right. But they also got spring practice and full time fall practice with no restrictions whatsoever. Weren’t these guys trying to install the defense through zoom meetings?
Posted on 10/21/20 at 8:38 pm to Prominentwon
Arizona state threw for like 450 yards (that was A LOT back in 2005 and still is today)
Tennessee couldn’t be stopped in the second half.
There were stories of guys like Prude and Jessie Daniels begging him to change up some things.
I guess history shows it may take a couple games but vandy aside ( goodness how shite are they?) it looks pretty bad up to now.
I honestly don’t know what’s happening. Has Pelini lost it this much? Are the players dense? Have their fundamentals and basic football IQ deteriorated this much? All we heard about was Aranda’s “complex” schemes yet I can’t remember burning TWO timeouts in ONE HALF because guys were so confused.
Tennessee couldn’t be stopped in the second half.
There were stories of guys like Prude and Jessie Daniels begging him to change up some things.
I guess history shows it may take a couple games but vandy aside ( goodness how shite are they?) it looks pretty bad up to now.
I honestly don’t know what’s happening. Has Pelini lost it this much? Are the players dense? Have their fundamentals and basic football IQ deteriorated this much? All we heard about was Aranda’s “complex” schemes yet I can’t remember burning TWO timeouts in ONE HALF because guys were so confused.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 8:44 pm to TeamLSU
This is it. Bo is not a good DC anymore. I pointed this out on here many times when he was rumored to be hired here. He didn't have good defenses at Nebraska and he had the same problems he had at LSU when open offense began to modernize about the time he got his HC job. His last several years at Nebraska his defenses were AWFUL. This was a shite hire to get O's buddy in place in giving him a second chance at redemption. In a lot of ways it was a safe hire that had a lot of shortsighted looks to it.
LSU was on top of the world last year. At the salary they're paying the best you could do is Bo? Yeah, O fricked this one up BIG time but he has fricked up several coaching hires already here. He got lucky with the rockstar Brady and Burrow transfer. He made several terrible decisions before this nobody should forget that.
Make all the excuses you want for Bo but every team playing in this league right now had to deal with the same issues as LSU with the pandemic. His failure to adapt and adjust his scheme is purely on him. Game adjustments are the sign of a great or bad coach. Bo makes none. Aranda always adjusted his scheme when LSU's defense struggled and an overwhelming majority of the time they fixed it in the second half of games. Aranda was a god compared to Bo even with a struggling defense. You could tell and know he would fix it no matter what deficiencies he had. Bo isn't designing a scheme to these guy's strengths I know that much.
LSU was on top of the world last year. At the salary they're paying the best you could do is Bo? Yeah, O fricked this one up BIG time but he has fricked up several coaching hires already here. He got lucky with the rockstar Brady and Burrow transfer. He made several terrible decisions before this nobody should forget that.
Make all the excuses you want for Bo but every team playing in this league right now had to deal with the same issues as LSU with the pandemic. His failure to adapt and adjust his scheme is purely on him. Game adjustments are the sign of a great or bad coach. Bo makes none. Aranda always adjusted his scheme when LSU's defense struggled and an overwhelming majority of the time they fixed it in the second half of games. Aranda was a god compared to Bo even with a struggling defense. You could tell and know he would fix it no matter what deficiencies he had. Bo isn't designing a scheme to these guy's strengths I know that much.
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