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re: Insight: NIL Deals
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:04 am to barry
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:04 am to barry
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This is true, but I’m assuming the majority of NIL money is simply from private business’ who have owners who don’t care about an ROI on marketing dollars
I’m sure this is true, but they will expect an ROI on the football field. Once everyone starts realizing they can’t buy a championship because everyone else is chasing after it too, the money will start to dry up. The transfer portal is going to have the same chilling effect in that context.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:15 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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We also have to figure out how an 18 year old is going to handle thousands of dollars.
Great insight but not to be difficult, why is it important to know how the person will handle the money?
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:15 am to IowaCityTigerFan
Thank you. That seems plausible. I wonder whether there may be "companies" not so public as yours which spring up like mushrooms and whose sole purpose is funneling NIL money to kids not related to going to any particular school. Could that happen?
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:23 am to Surv1vor1st
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Great insight but not to be difficult, why is it important to know how the person will handle the money?
If you are hiring someone to represent your company, based mostly on their athletic ability, wouldn’t it be good to have an idea if the money will change them on and off the field?
Money changes people. That’s a fact.
If the money goes to a “star’s” head and he is no longer a “star” then your investment is no good.
Also, money can change people off the field. You don’t want them to make bad PR moves.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:25 am to White Tiger
Not sure why all these complicated machinations are even required.
Pay a dude $1 million for one autograph and be done with it.
Pay a dude $1 million for one autograph and be done with it.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:38 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Exactly. It comes down to who had the most money to spend on recruits. That's it.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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If you are hiring someone to represent your company, based mostly on their athletic ability, wouldn’t it be good to have an idea if the money will change them on and off the field?
Money changes people. That’s a fact.
If the money goes to a “star’s” head and he is no longer a “star” then your investment is no good.
Also, money can change people off the field. You don’t want them to make bad PR moves.
Was coming here to type exactly that. Honestly, you want them to invest a portion of it directly back into themselves.
Will they set up a Roth?
Will they listen to advice? Who's advice?
Will they blow it all on a car?
Where you desires are, your money will follow. Talking goals is a big part of the vetting process. I like doing business with kids who think about the future. Delayed gratification.
Something else, we are non-profit credit union. I hold financial seminars for medical residents and athletes. Some of what I do is just to help young earners start their financial life on the right foot.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:47 am to IowaCityTigerFan
I'm bi...from Iowa...lived in Baton Rouge became a LSU and Iowa fan...
NIL is a proverbial shtstorm. Everyone involved in it is going to get burned and I suspect thet congress will ultimately get involved. This is the new home of cheating, crooked money, negligible value, immorality, and bad ethics. Could be the worst idea implemented ever.
Get your points as I worked for large corp and was involved in corporate image and advert. There are not many people that are gonna buy something in Louisiana cuz a kid at Ohio State gets a "national" NIL deal....that's gonna be a universal principal. So it's local money...maybe some regional and it is "at risk" big time.
NIL is a proverbial shtstorm. Everyone involved in it is going to get burned and I suspect thet congress will ultimately get involved. This is the new home of cheating, crooked money, negligible value, immorality, and bad ethics. Could be the worst idea implemented ever.
Get your points as I worked for large corp and was involved in corporate image and advert. There are not many people that are gonna buy something in Louisiana cuz a kid at Ohio State gets a "national" NIL deal....that's gonna be a universal principal. So it's local money...maybe some regional and it is "at risk" big time.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:48 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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We know nothing about these kids. I’ll be honest, the vetting process isn’t fun. You don’t want to tie your name to a kid, then have them in a bar fight on a Saturday night after the game. Athletes who don’t emphasize the student aspect of college, will never be represented by our company. We also have to figure out how an 18 year old is going to handle thousands of dollars.
I couldn’t be more proud of the young man we selected to represent our company. He is an upperclassman on this year’s LSU football team, a true leader and the exemplar of a fine young man.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 12:53 pm to TheFranchise
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I couldn’t be more proud of the young man we selected to represent our company. He is an upperclassman on this year’s LSU football team, a true leader and the exemplar of a fine young man.
Agreed, it's not just about ability.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:02 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
Your company seems to be legit as far as nil goes. The problem is, there WILL be school's that use Ray Ray's bbq as a way to funnel money to these recruits to get them on campus. The Ray Ray's of the world don't give a flying fLuck about ROI.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:05 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
This is a perfectly legitimate (and helpful) explanation of NIL strategies for business purposes.
But a considerable number of sports fans view NIL not as a business tool, but as a recruiting mechanism, where the objective (from the fan/ booster standpoint) is hiring the most promising HS talent.
To the extent there is pressure, it will not come from a Board, looking for increased profits, but from local consumers/ employees/ neighbors who want a national championship, no matter what it costs your company.
The businesses most responsive are likely to be local retail, local legal, local restaurants that can actually get some grass roots level response for their money.
But a considerable number of sports fans view NIL not as a business tool, but as a recruiting mechanism, where the objective (from the fan/ booster standpoint) is hiring the most promising HS talent.
To the extent there is pressure, it will not come from a Board, looking for increased profits, but from local consumers/ employees/ neighbors who want a national championship, no matter what it costs your company.
The businesses most responsive are likely to be local retail, local legal, local restaurants that can actually get some grass roots level response for their money.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 1:54 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Call it reality or call it unintended consequences (which I have a hard time believing) but this is the truth of the matter.
NIL has almost zero benefit to a company.
It’s just legalized cheating. Which is cool, but let’s be honest.
All the posters wanting Oschner and other big companies to participate need to realize that virtually no legit companies are going to participate on any kind of scale.
It’s just boosters buying players. Which, again, is ok. Let’s just call it what it is.
Yes, some will use it like it was intended. But the rules, what few were written, weren't written to guarantee its intended use was its only use.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/24/21 at 2:00 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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If we invest in a kid who signs the deal, takes our money then runs back to their home state because of playing time as a true freshman, then I look stupid for setting up the deal.
I’d include full repayment if transfer in the NIL contract.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 2:17 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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Third: NIL deals aren’t about giving kids money to play at your school.. The marketing dept has to develop an advertising strategy that produces a viable and trackable ROI.
You are trying to use the NIL to help your company. That's fine. However NIL is also a convenient passthrough for rich boosters to pay athletes with no expectation of profit. They want their school to win and are willing to write a check to do so. They don't have to have a business plan to use the NIL that they buy and are not under any obligation to make a profit from doing so.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 2:30 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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IowaCityTigerFan
Large, especially public companies are not the ones that will lean-in with NIL deals.
I think the small to middle market is the primary place coaches need to lean-in with. Find the privately held, local booster that has a 9 digit net worth and the only ROI expectation is wins on the field.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 2:32 pm to BearCrocs
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you’re going to have 18 year old college athletes making more money than there parents getting paid by the highest booster pool of money available.
What a nightmare!!
Posted on 12/24/21 at 2:40 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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If we invest in a kid who signs the deal, takes our money then runs back to their home state because of playing time as a true freshman, then I look stupid for setting up the deal.
Aren't all NIL deals negotiated on an annual basis? If so, that kid that runs back to his home state would not have your deal the next year!
Posted on 12/24/21 at 3:04 pm to LongTime Tiger
As op said… corp will not be the issue..
And I am sure “ the pancake factory”
Has a different measure for the ROI than your corporation….
Come on king cake factory !!!
Let’s get moving…
And I am sure “ the pancake factory”
Has a different measure for the ROI than your corporation….
Come on king cake factory !!!
Let’s get moving…
Posted on 12/24/21 at 3:45 pm to Thecoz
Here is my dealings with NIL.
I work in rea estate as an independent contractor. I plan to offer a few athlete's NIL deals in the spring. For me its building relationships with a few guys and representing them as their real estate advisor / agent once they graduate and or get drafted. That's my ROI. I'm obviously small fish but will see how this all pans out. Some guys are really interested and some guys have 2 word answers only wanting to know how much and when. I don't think this are the guys I's after.
I work in rea estate as an independent contractor. I plan to offer a few athlete's NIL deals in the spring. For me its building relationships with a few guys and representing them as their real estate advisor / agent once they graduate and or get drafted. That's my ROI. I'm obviously small fish but will see how this all pans out. Some guys are really interested and some guys have 2 word answers only wanting to know how much and when. I don't think this are the guys I's after.
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