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Insight: NIL Deals

Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:58 am
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:58 am
Let me just try to give a little insight on NIL from a company’s perspective. I am a fairly high ranking employee at the largest financial institution in Iowa. When NIL first became a thing, I took it upon myself to begin building relationships with athletes at the University of Iowa to represent our company.. Mostly on social media.

First: Every kid has a handler. I’m telling y’all, we have had dozens of people reach out to our team to have their athlete represent our company. There are so many greedy people trying to make a buck off teenagers. It’s uncomfortable.

Second: We know nothing about these kids. I’ll be honest, the vetting process isn’t fun. You don’t want to tie your name to a kid, then have them in a bar fight on a Saturday night after the game. Athletes who don’t emphasize the student aspect of college, will never be represented by our company. We also have to figure out how an 18 year old is going to handle thousands of dollars.

Third: NIL deals aren’t about giving kids money to play at your school.. The marketing dept has to develop an advertising strategy that produces a viable and trackable ROI. We are a 9 billion company, with a board, we can’t just throw money around to get a player to sign with a certain school. That’s foolish.

Lastly: There is a learning curve. It’s all new to us. We don’t quite understand the value quite yet. The coach at Iowa doesn’t necessarily care about his players getting paid. He is a developmental coach. Iowa has more kids in the NFL than Florida, Clemson and Michigan. I believe Iowa is 5th.

LSU is a different animal, but I can’t imagine too many businesses giving out NIL deals to high school students to sign with LSU who they don’t know and don’t have the time to vet.
Posted by Jb1994
Member since Sep 2018
2116 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:04 am to
Appreciate the insight iowa tiger
Posted by jlbasm
Aledo, TX
Member since Oct 2010
3414 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:08 am to
That’s nice - let’s see how that works out for Iowa in the next few years while Ohio state gets 7 figures for a kid that never played. The schools that get NIL money regardless of the kids roi are going to get the big name recruits. And not every “sponsor” is looking at it from a business perspective.
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
6429 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:14 am to
I get where you’re coming from but Large six figure and apparently seven figure deals are coming from boosters setting up nonprofit corporations.

Look up “pancake factory UT”.

There’s no cap to this.. you’re going to have 18 year old college athletes making more money than there parents getting paid by the highest booster pool of money available.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:15 am to
This is true, but I’m assuming the majority of NIL money is simply from private business’ who have owners who don’t care about an ROI on marketing dollars. There are very few players who could actually return a significant investment at a national level. I think things will settle from that stand point but the regional/local money will still be there.
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:16 am to
I’ll tell you this, that Quinn Ewers deal made us all more than a little apprehensive about giving deals out to high school kids who don’t commit to the school first.

We are regional. If we invest in a kid who signs the deal, takes our money then runs back to their home state because of playing time as a true freshman, then I look stupid for setting up the deal.

We will never sign a kid who doesn’t prioritize what needs to be prioritized. And businesses who don’t care about ROI.. wait until they get burned by the portal. It will start changing some tunes.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
3931 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:18 am to
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The schools that get NIL money regardless of the kids roi are going to get the big name recruits.


But keep in mind, there are a lot of highly rated Shropshire mentalities out there who will get the money and lose the motivation to work hard. Alabama didn't look the same this year with all their NIL deals.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:21 am to
When you have frick you money like A&M, Texas, Bama and a few other schools it doesn't really matter the specifics. They just flat out have boosters willing to buy championships.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9613 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:23 am to
quote:

Alabama didn't look the same this year with all their NIL deals.


They are the one seed in the CFP. They don't look any worse than they did in 2019. Everyone wants to make everything about NIL now, a bigger issue is having Bill O'Brien as OC.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 9:25 am
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:27 am to
Those aren’t NIL deals. That’s bagmen giving out money behind closed doors.

NIL deals are different. I give you money, you represent me in public.

I wouldn’t trust kids who care about NIL deals first, we trust the kids who care about their development. There is much more money in the NFL than what we offer.
Posted by AcetheTigah
Woodlands, TX
Member since Jan 2005
220 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:27 am to
I forsee alot of lawyers getting in on NIL sponsorships just to establish a relationship for future representation as agents fir their pro career.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24626 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:29 am to
I think NIL will look very different in a few years after we kids waste enough money. Like with anything, it’s gonna take a few bites in the arse to get it into reasonable terms.
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:37 am to
Agents/Lawyers have to be approved by NFL/Players Union.

And yes, companies being burned by players will make the NIL deals begin to subside. The opposite is also true if you vet well.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10349 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:43 am to
Not sure if you’re FOS or legit but your insight is real

There is a real perversion of the system going on with kids being exploited. Business “brokers” are all over the place trying to get a cut of the deals. It’s twisted . To keep kids focused on school and their sport has become very difficult.

Doing background checks on these kids is another thing altogether. Many Companies have no means to do an adequate job of checking backgrounds.

Posted by Fightin Okra
Member since Nov 2016
5635 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:47 am to
About the only football players at LSU who got NIL deals this year either did not play in a game or only played a few games and are not returning next year
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26676 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:54 am to
NIL has almost zero benefit to a company.

It’s just legalized cheating. Which is cool, but let’s be honest.

All the posters wanting Oschner and other big companies to participate need to realize that virtually no legit companies are going to participate on any kind of scale.

It’s just boosters buying players. Which, again, is ok. Let’s just call it what it is.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61117 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:59 am to
quote:

NIL has almost zero benefit to a company.



To some companies absolutely and I've been wondering how the bigger money players ultimately benefit in the end.

quote:

It’s just legalized cheating. Which is cool, but let’s be honest.



Right now that's what it is.


quote:

All the posters wanting Oschner and other big companies to participate need to realize that virtually no legit companies are going to participate on any kind of scale.



Agree because Oschner is too big to pair with a local, but there may be places they can use NIL at LSU centric events.
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:08 am to
quote:

NIL has almost zero benefit to a company.


Yes and no. For us, these kids don’t live in a large city away from the public eye. The #2 recruit in Iowa last year bagged my groceries every Saturday morning. I saw Tristan Wirfs a couple of weeks ago at BWWs. My asst is best friends with George Kittle. Tyler Linderbaum’s mom is good friends with our COO.

My point is, it’s a small community here. I’m buying local celebrities(influencers) to attract college kids to start doing business with our financial institution. Those kids grow up to have bank accounts, car loans, mortgages, and 401ks.

Oschner can get behind that, but the fit has to be right. If I’m Oschner, I’m lining up to try to sign Manning and Howard. That’s going to be MEGA.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 10:14 am
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
2080 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:34 am to
Pardon my ignorance, but was does ROI stand for?
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:35 am to
quote:

ROI


No problem:

Return On Investment
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