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re: In the biggest game of the year, Saban made a change at QB
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:40 am to Asleepinthecove
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:40 am to Asleepinthecove
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can have an indirect effect on the defense.
I get you, but the effect is direct inasmuch as it leads to more defensive snaps.
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:40 am to BobLeeDagger
How can we know unless we get to see Nuss play when it matters.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:41 am to Asleepinthecove
Ha! Tua isn’t on our roster.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:41 am to Asleepinthecove
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In the biggest game of the year, Saban made a change at QB
It’s what great coaches do. It was such a bold decision with a QB who had been the starter for 2 years.
I loathe this line of thinking because it's patently false. People want to pretend saban was a master tactician with a brilliant and gutsy move. Uh...no. He was desperate and backed into a corner like a wounded animal and he had 1 bullet left in his gun so he fired it. They scored 0 points in the first half of the last game of the year and looked like utter dogshit in the process. Hurts was a shite passer anyway to that point in his carerr but we took away the run too and they basically didn't do anythign. Like, at all. The ONLY option he had was to turn to young guys for a spark. He put in a QB that actually coudl thorw the ball worht a damn, and he also put in a TFr Najee and a coulpe other TFr too IIRC. It wasn't bold, it wasn't gutsy, it was literally the only choice left to be made.
With Jayden against FSU yall were at least movin the ball early with relative ease. You could at least justify stickign with him by saying if one thing here or one thing there went differently you've got a few touchdowns on teh baord. In that bama title gamem they literally didn't do a damn thing for 30 mintues so they had no other option.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:42 am to Asleepinthecove
Did we not watch the same game? Swapping the QB wouldn't have done shite. We had very clear bad play calls, weak arse Dline & Oline and dropped passes.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:42 am to Tigerstripe23
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How can we know unless we get to see Nuss play when it matters.
You can’t.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:42 am to doubleb
More accurately, the coach didn't think he could improve the QB performance by benching JD and putting Nuss in.
Saban made the change because he thought he could improve performance.
Of course, on the Rant the backup QB is always a Heisman winner in the making...
Saban made the change because he thought he could improve performance.
Of course, on the Rant the backup QB is always a Heisman winner in the making...
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:42 am to Topwater Trout
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Big difference in first game of the year and the 15th game and playing in a national title.
Les Miles says hello
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:50 am to Asleepinthecove
Saban made the change at halftime because the offense wasn’t moving the ball on Georgia.
LSU was winning and the offense was moving the ball up and down the field and had almost 300 yards of offense. Should he have put Nuss in then?
LSU was winning and the offense was moving the ball up and down the field and had almost 300 yards of offense. Should he have put Nuss in then?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:52 am to Asleepinthecove
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It’s what great coaches do.
13.5 games into the season.
How many passes did Tua have against Auburn that year?
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 11:53 am
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:53 am to Asleepinthecove
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Moral alone is down when the defense knows the offense is stagnant and can’t score.
But the moral is not down when the Offense knows it has to score because the defense can't stop the opposing teams offense?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:57 am to semjase
Nuss would have been sacked beacu times with that soft offensive line. IMO we underestimated FS and we paid for it.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:02 pm to Asleepinthecove
Saban pulled Hurts in the Natty. Think about that for a second. He pulled a legit winner and someone way better than Daniels in my opinion in the most important game. To win. And we won’t sit Daniels because…….
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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With Jayden against FSU yall were at least movin the ball early with relative ease. You could at least justify stickign with him by saying if one thing here or one thing there went differently you've got a few touchdowns on teh baord. In that bama title gamem they literally didn't do a damn thing for 30 mintues so they had no other option
This is as much about JD’s past performance in games going back to last year as it was in this game. He laid some serious eggs in a handful of games last year. His inability to read defenses, revert to running when he should be looking to throw, are all deficiencies in his game. Nothing will ever change with him. The time for a spark in the FSU game, when the offense was obviously stagnant, was at least the start of the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:09 pm to semjase
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LSU vs FSU was two Top 5 teams
according to pre season polls that are useless
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The loser has no more room for error for the rest of the season as far as making the playoff's goes.
win or lose the FSU game we still have to make it to atlanta
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It was a BIG game and BK didn't have the intestinal fortitude to even try putting in Nussmeier to spark the team.
I thought we would see Nuss with 6 min left. The only thing I can think is JD didn't play as bad as some fans say and BK didn't want to start a controversy in first game of the season.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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I thought we would see Nuss with 6 min left. The only thing I can think is JD didn't play as bad as some fans say and BK didn't want to start a controversy in first game of the season.
Putting a backup QB in the 4th quarter of a game, that is way out of reach, is a common practice by college coaches. They do it to mainly prevent the started from getting a fluke injury in meaningless snaps. Not sure why Kelly couldn’t even do that!
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:28 pm to semjase
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It was a BIG game and BK didn't have the intestinal fortitude to even try putting in Nussmeier to spark the team.
That's Les Miles style Stubbonrness and what has everybody concerned at this point.......
Wrong. I don't think people expected a QB change mid-game.
I think people were more shocked that Jayden hasn't progressed at all, so why hadn't BK / Denbrock noticed this throughout the offseason and planned accordingly leading into the opener.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 1:41 pm to CDUBTX
Is this a serious post?
Saban pulled Hurts in the natty and Hurts is better than JD, ergo, Kelly must pull JD?
Seriously?
You pull a player because you think the player on the bench gives you a better chance to win. Period.
Kelly doesn't think Nuss gives a better chance to win, and from everything i can see, that is a perfectly reasonable conclusion.
Saban pulled Hurts in the natty and Hurts is better than JD, ergo, Kelly must pull JD?
Seriously?
You pull a player because you think the player on the bench gives you a better chance to win. Period.
Kelly doesn't think Nuss gives a better chance to win, and from everything i can see, that is a perfectly reasonable conclusion.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:12 pm to poncho villa
Daniels didn't cost us the game. Nuss would not have won it for us.
The reason we lost, is that Fla State scored on 6 straight possessions. A TD in the last possession of the first half, and then 5 straight possessions in the second half. That string was only stopped when they knelt in the victory formation to end the game.
And there was only 1 FG, the rest were TDs.
Nuss could have come out and set the world on fire, it wouldn't have mattered. And when you consider that Lacy was dropping passes that consistently hit him in both hands, I don't see how you say Nuss makes much difference. You can say Daniels underthrew some guys... that doesn't matter. None of those drops were the WR making some huge effort to get a fingertip on the ball, he was alone and untouched, and the ball hit him in the hands. And a few WERE in stride. You expect a starting WR on a ranked SEC team to make those catches.
The problems we need to correct are:
1) you NEED a DB to break up a play.
2) you HAVE to find a way to get Perkins involved.
3) your starting WRs NEED to make routine catches.
4) your kick returner needs to take the fricking touchback. Starting a drive at the 15 after the other team scores doesn't help, it puts more pressure on the team.
5) OC needs to string plays together. So, you can hit the RB for a huge gain out of the backfield? Or you roll the QB out, and force defenders to either pick him up or cover a WR 15 yds away? Maybe we can return to that play again, instead of ignoring it the rest of the game.
Or, your TE gets open AND catches it? Perhaps we could target him more.
The reason we lost, is that Fla State scored on 6 straight possessions. A TD in the last possession of the first half, and then 5 straight possessions in the second half. That string was only stopped when they knelt in the victory formation to end the game.
And there was only 1 FG, the rest were TDs.
Nuss could have come out and set the world on fire, it wouldn't have mattered. And when you consider that Lacy was dropping passes that consistently hit him in both hands, I don't see how you say Nuss makes much difference. You can say Daniels underthrew some guys... that doesn't matter. None of those drops were the WR making some huge effort to get a fingertip on the ball, he was alone and untouched, and the ball hit him in the hands. And a few WERE in stride. You expect a starting WR on a ranked SEC team to make those catches.
The problems we need to correct are:
1) you NEED a DB to break up a play.
2) you HAVE to find a way to get Perkins involved.
3) your starting WRs NEED to make routine catches.
4) your kick returner needs to take the fricking touchback. Starting a drive at the 15 after the other team scores doesn't help, it puts more pressure on the team.
5) OC needs to string plays together. So, you can hit the RB for a huge gain out of the backfield? Or you roll the QB out, and force defenders to either pick him up or cover a WR 15 yds away? Maybe we can return to that play again, instead of ignoring it the rest of the game.
Or, your TE gets open AND catches it? Perhaps we could target him more.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:25 pm to Asleepinthecove
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Putting a backup QB in the 4th quarter of a game, that is way out of reach, is a common practice by college coaches. They do it to mainly prevent the started from getting a fluke injury in meaningless snaps. Not sure why Kelly couldn’t even do that!
I thought we would see NUss at that point. Only reason I come think of is he wanted JD to get more reps with it being the first game of the year
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